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RobertStan Posts: 2Member
edited November -1 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
I know Bart said that most likely your local games would be better than playing NL during the wsop. that said I always thought the wekeends where there were the !k buy in would be good because the players who are just awful come to take their shot at glory.

I can say that I played both the 1/3 and the 2/5 yesterday (while I was waiting for my BigO game to open) and the play was pretty bad. Players not reading their hands let alone their opponents.. Very straightforward, easy to play against.

If you do come on the weekend then I think playing at the rio wouldnt be too bad.. Later in the series I think the games get tougher as the weaker players bust their rolls.. So come early my friends and let manna fall from the heavens..

wwthumb

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  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,085Subscriber
    very weird.. I wrote the review above and posted it ..yet it says robert stan did..
  • STL_Bob Posts: 26Subscriber
    I played 1/3 last night from 10:30 til just after midnight. (Yes that means i punted another stack in the $235 after I saw you :/. Will post the hand in a bit)

    I didn't feel like I drew a very good table, there were 2 or 3 spots in the game, but most players were about $300-600 deep and seemed to play fairly decent. Pretty aggressive table vs a standard 1/3 IMO. Hardly any limping and quite a fair amount of 3betting. I would say the game was about a 6/10 for Vegas. One other player was enjoying a cold beverage, everyone else drinking coffee.

    $5 rake as well.
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,085Subscriber
    Sorry about that Bob..

    the good news is there are like 20 games of 1/3 going on the weekends.. Just change tables.. If there is alot of raising and threebetting just leave ..

    I played earlier in the day ..around 3-4pm.. I wonder if that made a difference as the tourney players who busted the 1st flight of the mill maker played for a few hours before the second flight?

    wendy
  • STL_Bob Posts: 26Subscriber
    Better table draw today:

    SB: $700
    Hero (UTG): $330
    UTG+1: $300
    UTG+2: $100
    MP1: $200
    BTN: $170

    Hero (UTG): Raises AQo to $12
    UTG+1: Calls $12
    UTG+2: Calls $12
    MP1: Calls $12
    BTN: Raises to $52
    SB: Calls $52
    Hero (SB): Folds
    UTG+1: Folds
    UTG+2: Calls $52
    MP1: Folds

    Flop ($190): Ts Js 5s

    SB: Checks
    UTG+2: Checks
    BTN: All-in for $128
    SB: Calls $128
    SB: Calls and is all in for $48

    Turn ($495): 8d

    River ($495): 2h

    SB shows 5x5x
    BTN shows JXJx
    UTG+2 shows AsKx

    BTN wins, all three players proceed to leave and head for the 1pm $1k event.
  • STL_Bob Posts: 26Subscriber
    Sitting at same 1/3NL table. Table nearly breaks at 1pm and 3pm for the tourneys, then fills quickly both times.

    Guy sits down in MP (in his 50's, doesn't appear to be a poker wizard or able to run a marathon any time soon). His first hand, he awaits the chip runner to bring him three stacks. UTG raises $15, 4 calls, incl. the non-wizard.

    4 plyrs see a 67J rainbow flop. UTG leads for $45, fold, new guy snap ships remaining phantom stacks and is all-in. UTG thinks about it for a minute then declares, "it's only money, it's replenishable. I call.". UTG shows aces, and MP shows 98o. Ten arrives on the river and gives our man a quick double.

    Brag: my table is the softest cash game I've sat at since I've been in town
    Beat: I was the UTG player (-$300)
    Variance: it's 1-3NL, what else would you expect
  • STL_Bob Posts: 26Subscriber
    Michael Phelps spotted at 2/5 and 5/10 this afternoon. No idea how well he plays, but I believe he made two day 2s in WSOP events so far.
  • Arenzano Posts: 1,391Subscriber
    Was really looking forward to the Series this year as I had never been, but my work schedule changed so I cant make it out there. Arrgh!
  • UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
    Bob H said

    Michael Phelps spotted at 2/5 and 5/10 this afternoon. No idea how well he plays, but I believe he made two day 2s in WSOP events so far.
    He's an action fish in cash, which means he's obviously not profitable though not a complete idiot
  • JerseyJay Posts: 181Subscriber
    I busted the mill maker around 5pm saturday and sat in a super soft 2-5 game with two drunk swedes, tight lady, dude with gf behind, and crazy old man along with gambly armenian/middle eastern old man. Basically a dream table. I only made a few hundred but some real bad play was exhibited. Im hoping i see more of this. Yesterday morning i had a losing session. Im not used to playing with tourists, so my general adjustment might be dont barrel so much, they call and pot control.
  • Derek Posts: 44Subscriber
    Haven't played the NL at the Rio but the PLO games are definitely good
  • SupremeNinja Posts: 137Subscriber
    I've never been to Vegas during the WSOP, but am headed there june 13 - 18..

    I'm staying (and playing) at the Aria.. how are the games at the Rio vs Aria right now?

    Are the 1/3 games softer than 2/5 in Vegas? Or is that not necessarily true?.. I play a 100bb cap 2/5 game regularly... but would not be able to BI for 200bb in 2/5 in vegas.
  • STL_Bob Posts: 26Subscriber
    SupremeNinja said

    I've never been to Vegas during the WSOP, but am headed there june 13 - 18..

    I'm staying (and playing) at the Aria.. how are the games at the Rio vs Aria right now?

    Are the 1/3 games softer than 2/5 in Vegas? Or is that not necessarily true?.. I play a 100bb cap 2/5 game regularly... but would not be able to BI for 200bb in 2/5 in vegas.
    You will have a great time out there during WSOP. So much fanfare going on and seeing tables on tables on tables is pretty aweing IMO.

    I just left Vegas today, but will be returning June 28-July 9. I play almost exclusively 1-3 here in St Louis, and I played all 1-3 in Vegas when playing cash. I played the majority of my hours at Rio, then today I logged hours at Aria. I found Aria to be much more pleasant, and it is still my favorite place to play from an atmosphere standpoint. From a player pool and difficultly standpoint, I felt Aria was a more profitable room for a player at my level.

    Rio:
    -I was legitimately cold almost every day. Dress appropriately. Jeans and sweatshirt is appropriate, which wasn't a problem since I was staying at Rio, but for you, trekking it over, having to walk outside even if it's only to the taxi stand in 100+ degree weather is not going to be ideal.
    -Many dealers were not competent dealing the game. Slow and/or couldnt keep up with action. Expect to help some of them out.
    -Rake is higher for low stakes NL, compared to other options in town. $5 max (10%) and they rake even if no flop is dealt. $5 all to the house, no BBJ.
    -No comps, not a biggie, but it is nice to get $2/hr at aria.
    -You may run into celebrities there. Ie Michael Phelps, JerseyJeff, TheHammah, Claire (I classify all 4 of these persons in the same class of star power cool)
    -Ability to game select is good when tables are full. (10+ 1/3, 2/5 games on avg). Shorthanded towards the end of the night they were really sticklers on not letting you change...only option was to change to a table with the most open seats.
    -Shorthanded rake is negotiable. I played 4 to 6 handed at various times late in the night and had the following rakes offered: $0,$2,$3.

    Aria:
    -In general, a significantly nicer, more comfortable atmosphere IMO
    -Competent dealers all around, can expect to get ~10 more hands in per hour. Aria has auto shufflers, Rio is not using them in cash.
    -I felt it was an older crowd in general, not hardly any talk about WSOP. Just a fair number of people on vacation.
    -When I left at about 5:30p today there was 6 tables running and 27 on the list for 1-3. Expect lengthy waits as opposed to Rio, where I got in within 2-5 mins every time. If you are staying at aria I think you can check bravo from your tv, and possibly request to be added to the wait list from either the tv or a call in.
    -Food is better. I really like lemongrass there.

    Good choice in selecting aria to stay at; beautiful property, techie rooms, awesome fitness/gym/spa area if you're into that kind of thing.
  • STL_Bob Posts: 26Subscriber
    Ninja, Big Al may be a good reference to you as well.

    He was sharing with me some info about the games at Venetian and Wynn during the SOP meetup. I believe he may also have some perspective on play during the early afternoon hours as he is a daytime grinder, living in the Vegas area.
  • SupremeNinja Posts: 137Subscriber
    Hi Bob,

    Thanks for all the great info and tips. All of them noted.

    Did you play any $1.5K NL events by any chance? I'm thinking of dabbling in one simply for the experience (I'm not a tournament player whatsoever.)
  • The Clubber Posts: 110Member
    If you want the excitement and "star" sightings of the WSOP without the freezing cold, $4 soda and dealer incompetence, you can try out the Rio poker room by the Carinval buffet after you have gone to the convention center to get the WSOP experience. The dealers there are much more capable and you can earn comps and be eligible for the Megabeat jackpot.
  • STL_Bob Posts: 26Subscriber
    SupremeNinja said

    Hi Bob,

    Thanks for all the great info and tips. All of them noted.

    Did you play any $1.5K NL events by any chance? I'm thinking of dabbling in one simply for the experience (I'm not a tournament player whatsoever.)
    I did play the $1.5k event 6 millionaire maker, but only because I had 70% of my action sold to friends/co-workers. I was also able to play in the $235 daily deepstack which I would play in again.
  • JerseyJay Posts: 181Subscriber
    So my trip is over. Unfortunately, the only rungood i experienced was in the airport here getting $500 from united to get on a later flight. #winning i guess. I got in fridaynnight and am leaving today (wed). Killing some time at the aiirport, so here is my read on rio, wsop, etc.

    Im on an ipad so pardon the typos

    Rio:
    This is my third year at wsop, and i played by far the most poker at rio this year. I got in 39 hours, including about 3.5 in the millioniare maker where i had zero impact. In the past i had heard complaints about rio but never thought it was that bad. I always wondered why people would play nlhe elsewhere in vegas with the wsop going on. Isnt that where the best action is? Well, i think i get it now. The tables are old, with no electronic shuffler. Further, no electronics whatsoever, so no record of you there or comps. Further, to keep the tables full the floor and chip people have to run around all night collecting these dumb cards from the dealers, who are new and dont know the system. After close to 40 hours there the last few days, i was feeling like a floor person. I like a full table and had to remind dealers dozens of times to call open seats. I had to let them know the process for posting, buying button, etc. it was distracting and frustrating. Plus all the other typical bad dealer stuffmlike misdeals, wron g chip amounts etc was at a much higher rate. I think the wsop does a great job in general, but hosting thousands of poker players for one month a year might be logistically beyond anyone. That is why a lot of vegas local and other players play elsewhere, like aria, wynn, bellagio, and venetian. The games are more touristy and softer at wsop, but there is a definate tradeoff.

    Because of the mill maker, and juicy weekend tourneys, i saw pretty much every famous pro. In line for burritos behind hellmuth and jen harmon. Antonio, mercier and crew, allen cunningham, etc, etc, final tables of tourneys at espn main table during breaks. All pretty cool. Plus barts deep run at mill make, which i was able to rail amazingly closely. Fun stuff.

    How were the games at the rio? I played 2-5 2-1000 the entire time. They were soft. However i had to make some adjustments. Barrelling is not the way to go. People there at that stake call down very light and are suspicious in general. Justifiably so, since every preflop raise was cbet. It pays to pay attention close early and bucket people into a few categories: there are bad vegas locals, good pros, bad tourists, decent tourists, plus random wackos. Bad vegas locals seemed to bluff a lot, barrel, and play a lot of hands. Good pros were just that. There werent that many because i think they opt to stay at their regular casino because of previously stated reasons. However, if i spotted more than 1 aggressive pro at the table it was enough for me to move. There were 6-12 2-5 tables going at any given time, and i was always able to find one where there were no obvious pros and mostly all rec players. Bad tourists buy in short (unfortunately) usually 300-500 so thats a dead giveaway. They are looking to get it in and double up so they can make the dinner reso or show or whatever. They will get it in with top pair or a flopped flush draw. Be careful barreling them light. They are not there to fold, dont like getting muscled, and will gamble. Kepp a good eye on them during hour three, especially if they are losing and short. They will punt it.

    Also worth mentioning, the games were wayyyyyy better at night. Not much action during the day, although plenty of games. Between 8 and 1 the place would really get going though with people getting drunk, stuck, and playing bad. Then stacks would get deep too.

    Although the tables were soft, i found it difficult to play for several reasons. One, the variety of players was wide, with each requiring their own strategy. The stack sizes were very variant,as well. Plus, the tables turned over super fast, so rarely any reads for long. Its difficult to play a pot multiway with a shortstacked tourist with his gf sitting behind, and a deep vegas local, neither of which you have any real reads on. Just not what i am used to. My adjustment was to tighten up a bit, stay in position, and bet for value, while still playing loose enough to make people call me and keep them curious. Anyone have any other strategies?

    All in all a good time, but next time i may play somewhere nicer atmleast some of the time, and also maybe play more tournies. I ran a little bad, so i may be being results oriented. However, in my opinion there are definately aspects of playing cash at rio that make it difficult despite the player pool.
  • BigOwl Posts: 80Member
    +1 JJ.
    I think this is an excellent description of the games at Rio.
  • wildncrazyguywildncrazyguy Posts: 420Subscriber
    Jersey Jay said

    So my trip is over. Unfortunately, the only rungood i experienced was in the airport here getting $500 from united to get on a later flight. #winning i guess. I got in fridaynnight and am leaving today (wed). Killing some time at the aiirport, so here is my read on rio, wsop, etc.

    Im on an ipad so pardon the typos

    Rio:
    This is my third year at wsop, and i played by far the most poker at rio this year. I got in 39 hours, including about 3.5 in the millioniare maker where i had zero impact. In the past i had heard complaints about rio but never thought it was that bad. I always wondered why people would play nlhe elsewhere in vegas with the wsop going on. Isnt that where the best action is? Well, i think i get it now. The tables are old, with no electronic shuffler. Further, no electronics whatsoever, so no record of you there or comps. Further, to keep the tables full the floor and chip people have to run around all night collecting these dumb cards from the dealers, who are new and dont know the system. After close to 40 hours there the last few days, i was feeling like a floor person. I like a full table and had to remind dealers dozens of times to call open seats. I had to let them know the process for posting, buying button, etc. it was distracting and frustrating. Plus all the other typical bad dealer stuffmlike misdeals, wron g chip amounts etc was at a much higher rate. I think the wsop does a great job in general, but hosting thousands of poker players for one month a year might be logistically beyond anyone. That is why a lot of vegas local and other players play elsewhere, like aria, wynn, bellagio, and venetian. The games are more touristy and softer at wsop, but there is a definate tradeoff.

    Because of the mill maker, and juicy weekend tourneys, i saw pretty much every famous pro. In line for burritos behind hellmuth and jen harmon. Antonio, mercier and crew, allen cunningham, etc, etc, final tables of tourneys at espn main table during breaks. All pretty cool. Plus barts deep run at mill make, which i was able to rail amazingly closely. Fun stuff.

    How were the games at the rio? I played 2-5 2-1000 the entire time. They were soft. However i had to make some adjustments. Barrelling is not the way to go. People there at that stake call down very light and are suspicious in general. Justifiably so, since every preflop raise was cbet. It pays to pay attention close early and bucket people into a few categories: there are bad vegas locals, good pros, bad tourists, decent tourists, plus random wackos. Bad vegas locals seemed to bluff a lot, barrel, and play a lot of hands. Good pros were just that. There werent that many because i think they opt to stay at their regular casino because of previously stated reasons. However, if i spotted more than 1 aggressive pro at the table it was enough for me to move. There were 6-12 2-5 tables going at any given time, and i was always able to find one where there were no obvious pros and mostly all rec players. Bad tourists buy in short (unfortunately) usually 300-500 so thats a dead giveaway. They are looking to get it in and double up so they can make the dinner reso or show or whatever. They will get it in with top pair or a flopped flush draw. Be careful barreling them light. They are not there to fold, dont like getting muscled, and will gamble. Kepp a good eye on them during hour three, especially if they are losing and short. They will punt it.

    Also worth mentioning, the games were wayyyyyy better at night. Not much action during the day, although plenty of games. Between 8 and 1 the place would really get going though with people getting drunk, stuck, and playing bad. Then stacks would get deep too.

    Although the tables were soft, i found it difficult to play for several reasons. One, the variety of players was wide, with each requiring their own strategy. The stack sizes were very variant,as well. Plus, the tables turned over super fast, so rarely any reads for long. Its difficult to play a pot multiway with a shortstacked tourist with his gf sitting behind, and a deep vegas local, neither of which you have any real reads on. Just not what i am used to. My adjustment was to tighten up a bit, stay in position, and bet for value, while still playing loose enough to make people call me and keep them curious. Anyone have any other strategies?

    All in all a good time, but next time i may play somewhere nicer atmleast some of the time, and also maybe play more tournies. I ran a little bad, so i may be being results oriented. However, in my opinion there are definately aspects of playing cash at rio that make it difficult despite the player pool.
    Thanks for the feedback Jersey. Last year I found that barreling, etc worked at the Aria and Bellegio but not other places as people would way over value theoir hands. Kind've sounds like the Rio. I prefer the Aria but will probably be stuck playing more at the Rio this yr due to my family being with me this time. Does anyone know if they card your girlfriend if she sits behind you and looks 18? Just curious. Interesting feedback and very believeable. Thing is last year I never played at the Rio except in Tournies. Why would I when I can sit at the Aria or another nice room and be warm and get free booze vs freesing my arse off in a Frigid auditorium? Too many other nice rooms in town.
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