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Casino/Table Selection

Headed to Vegas in a few weeks and will be playing 6-10 hours of poker/day.

One thing I have never really understood is how to casino/table select without having much background with the player pool; I only play poker 3-4x a year. .

Which casino?
If you want to play 2/5 games as an example, your options are pretty limited to Aria, Bellagio, and Encore...sometimes Caesars will have multiple tables running.
I know Bart had mentioned to look for a place where 2/5 is the second biggest game. That eliminates Caesars (no 5/10 that I am aware of) and leaves Aria (usually at least 1 or 2 5/10), Bellagio (usually 3 to 5 5/10 running at peak hours), and Encore (I've never seen more than 1 running). Other than the max buy-in, which varies across these 3, what else are you looking for? Most games running (which means most options)? If this is true, wouldn't most pros be at the casino with the most games, therefore leaving the place with only 1 2/5 running as more optimal?

Which table?
Let's say you want to play super deep and decide on Encore's 2/5 1500 cap game. How do you determine what the best table to be sitting in is? Yes, I can spot the younger back-pack/hoodie/headphone guys who are pros or wannabe pros, the old man coffees/war veterans, and surprisingly because I have played quite a bit at Wynn/Encore in my life, I can spot the recreational regs who are not great players but still play quite a bit...but, not sure which of these I want sitting in my game (besides the good pros who I should avoid). I have heard/read the following suggestions:
-Loudest table
-Table with the most alcohol being consumed
-Table with the most chips on it as a whole
-Table with the least short stacks
-Table with an obvious non-pro who has a big stack
-Table with the fewest obvious pros (even though I've never understood this one because aren't the pros more likely to be table selecting themselves and therefore always at a "good" table)

Any advice is appreciated.

Comments

  • CycleV Posts: 1,195Subscriber
    This is sooooo dependent on your style and what you like in a game. I like loud, drunken lunacy and high variance, but ymmv. But if I read correctly, you only play poker 3-4x/year? Definitely the table with the least pros/grinders would be my aim in your shoes. Heck, I play 3-4x/week and I'd still aim for that table. You're correct that there will be some gravitating towards big fish/big stack tables, so if you're not on that one but like where you are, stay put. The "good" table can quickly become a bad one, I see this all the time.

    Where you are staying matters, as far as travel/walking time goes.

    If you only play 3-4x/year, maybe have your first session at 1/3, just to get your feet wet? BTW if you're going to play any 1/3, the off-brand casinos are soft as wet tissue. I played some at Flamingo last time I was in LV, and I thought I was going to be arrested for stealing, it was so easy. (Then I thought about moving there instead....)
  • pokertime Posts: 2,194Subscriber
    I would pick bellagio and just start at the first 2/5 table they give you. Good food comps and free quality drinks like juice and good tea/coffee. If it's not playing good ask for a table change and see how that goes. I'm not sure you really get to pick your table you just get a seat at the first one that has an opening but you can at least go look, make a quick assessment and take it or stay. You really just have to look for decent stacks and what appear to be recreational players. You can't know for sure until you play a few orbits.

    As stated most 1/3 is soft through out the city and 2/5 isn't much harder though you can get at a table with too many pros so just table change if that happens. Your going to encounter pros in Vegas so it's more about are there several spots worth playing at the table.
  • JKH Posts: 835Subscriber
    edited December 2016
    Vegas in general in my opinion has 2 types of players at stakes 5-10 and below 1) real tight pros 2) Tourists who can be any player type.

    I think the shorter the buy the softer the game. The deeper the buy in the better players that are in the game.
    So I agree Belagio 2-5 100bb cap is a great place to start.
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,550Subscriber
    Pick 2nd highest game. Prefer 1/3 over 1/2 for action. Stacks should be deeper and you should be able to bluff a little more vs some players. As suggested above you can play a table that fits your style or if you are dynamic enough adapt your style to fit the table.

    If you want to purposely play lots of hands for fun then pick a passive predictable table with mixed folders and callers. That way you can specifically target a player and use the others as dead money in the pot depending on how you play your hand.

    If you just want to sit tight then play a very loose aggressive table with position. You can play tricky trappy or standard TAG. It is very difficult to beat a TAG if he has position and a better hand range even if you outskill him.

    If you just want to play a value game then pick a 1/2 table with decent stacks. Players are pretty predictable, they play their hands face up, they have lots of tells. Bluffing is very hard to do.

    If you want to have play tight and win big pots pick a crazy table with bad LAGs. They certainly drive the pot sizes but be prepared for huge variance.

    Things to avoid:
    Short stack tables. It skyrockets the variance, costs you money because the rake eats up the pot, and isn't fun to sit on your ass.

    Tables with aggressive regs: If you have agro regs that are of decent competency but worse than you it is still a tough table. Some of these guys have only aggression and no table awareness. You can be squeezed between them which causes you to play tight. If mixed in with OMCs who like to slowplay it can kill your fun and cost a lot of money. The agro regs make it tough to play them OOP. They might iso-raise a lot and put you into tough spots. The reason why I am so hard on this kind of table is because to thoroughly analyze a wannabe agro reg takes time. Time understanding his frequencies, time understanding his 3bs, time understanding if he is a caller or folder. Time you might not have. I play online a lot and often I have to sit tight for an hour vs a player who is being aggressive and seems to be a regular even though he plays worse than I do. I need to gather notes and information on his play style. That 1 hour online is 2 hours live and by that time the reg can leave the table and you lose your data.

    For me picking the right table is paramount to your winrate. I often see a table packed with regs and all these wannabes are playing with each other. Either because they are too stupid to move or it is some gorilla chest pounding contest. I firmly believe in making myself the best player at the table.... by picking the worst table. I have no ego to prove I am this good or better than anyone else. I want to have fun and make money. So that is how I look at it.

    I think I am fortunate to have found CLP because it has the most insightful group of players I have met online. Even if I don't agree with your reply or post about a play I still learn something. Anyways I'm off track. You have my answers. Good luck have fun.
  • 4barrell Posts: 13Member
    I'd suggest you go to the Aria and splash around a bit in the 5/10 and see what happens :)
  • JKH Posts: 835Subscriber
    4barrell said:
    I'd suggest you go to the Aria and splash around a bit in the 5/10 and see what happens :)
    Yeh likely only cost u 3-10k

    And I am pretty sure that's 4barell"s rrgular game
    I think he needs his rent paid
  • BananaStandBananaStand Posts: 1,455Troll
    I haven't been to vegas in a while, and I certainly haven't sampled all of the options for playing there. I tend to play in rooms that are affilliated with whatever hotel I'm staying at so that the points help defray the cost of my stay.

    the only table selection advice I would give, and it's not specific to Vegas, is to try to find clusters of tight players sitting adjacent to each other. If you can find an open seat directly to the right of two or 3 OMC's, it's like you have the button for half of every orbit. Practically unbeatable.
  • JKH Posts: 835Subscriber
    edited December 2016
    BananaStand said:
    I haven't been to vegas in a while, and I certainly haven't sampled all of the options for playing there. I tend to play in rooms that are affilliated with whatever hotel I'm staying at so that the points help defray the cost of my stay.

    the only table selection advice I would give, and it's not specific to Vegas, is to try to find clusters of tight players sitting adjacent to each other. If you can find an open seat directly to the right of two or 3 OMC's, it's like you have the button for half of every orbit. Practically unbeatable.
    Or look for games with booze and drunk players eating carbs and laughing and shouting and cheering
  • 4barrell Posts: 13Member
    JKH said:
    4barrell said:
    I'd suggest you go to the Aria and splash around a bit in the 5/10 and see what happens :)
    Yeh likely only cost u 3-10k

    And I am pretty sure that's 4barell"s rrgular game
    I think he needs his rent paid
    ...rent? more like Christmas time :) need to get the wife that diamond necklace from Tiffany & Co
  • pray4blank Posts: 141Subscriber
    Stereotypes seem pretty great for table selection, in my experience.

    Flat billed hats with stickers on the bill - yes please.

    Gold jewelry adorning a hairy chest peeking out of a half open shirt - sounds great to me.

    Anyone who is really muscular and has a angry looking girl behind him - $$

    And so much more. :) I'm kinda joking, but mostly serious. I try to find people who either look flat out stupid or have some sort of ego issue they can't control.
  • maphacks Posts: 2,009Subscriber
    edited December 2016
    most important is the max buyin. without having experience playing in that games, I would estimate hourly between bellagio 100bb max and encore 300bb max would differ beetween 50-100%. 100bb live poker kills soooo many of your options. I probably would have to let go at least one spot per hour because your aren't deep enough.

    no real other suggestions, just sit down, see how the table is and ask for a change if you don't like the table. not very good advice but it's not like you are losing infinte amount of money because you play in a bad game for 10-30minutes..
    you pretty much named all things to look out for. impossible to join the room and always sit in the best game right away if you don't know anyone...
  • RecreationalRogerRecreationalRoger Posts: 789Subscriber
    My quick default checklist once in the room:

    1. The more chips on the table the better (comparing same stakes tables);
    2. The less white OMC looking types the better;
    3. 5 minutes after sitting down, mention how happy you are to be on vacation in LV. See how many people chime in. The bigger number the better.
    4. Within 30 minutes you should know if your table is good enough to stay or time to ask for a table change. Hell if the table is really bad i know in 10 minutes.
  • RecreationalRogerRecreationalRoger Posts: 789Subscriber
    Also on #3, if tourist volunteers how far into vacation they i have that to be helpful. Easier to play solid day 1-2 then it is an hour before they have to leave for the airport. One hour left players are never folding - its value bet city on them
  • RecreationalRogerRecreationalRoger Posts: 789Subscriber
    As far as which casino, someone (i believe here on clp) said they lived in LV and would follow the convention schedule to determine where to play. See if there are any big comventions in town when you are there if so maybe hit up the card room closest for a try.

    My personal preference in LV is to always start at the room with the most tables running and no wait list closest to my hotel. As i go with my wife i need to maximize my time at the table. No sense going to caesers if you see one 2-5 table with 1 person on the waitlist if the Venetian has 3 2-5 games going and no wait list on your Bravo app.
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