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Proper Appearance at the Poker Table

DavidChan Posts: 1,208Pro
edited December 2016 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
This topic has been broached a few times on CLP forums, and I have spoken up a few times to say that proper appearance at the poker table is important for maintaining a good rec-friendly atmosphere/environment. Others have disagreed (most commonly, they defend wearing backpacks to the casino by saying that recs only care whether we are polite/nice to them), but I think this is a topic worth discussing.

I was reading DGAF's thread on 2plus2, and it got me thinking again. For those who do not know, DGAF is a longtime successful live NL pro who not only has had impressive success at mid-high stakes live NLHE but is more importantly a great ambassador for live NLHE games because he puts a lot of emphasis on how a live NLHE pro should act and carry himself at the table. I will quote what he said in his thread:

"Note: someone is outing me in the poker world lately. Please don't contribute to that. It affects my personal life and costs me money at the table. At the very least, please please please don't talk about this thread or my sn or anything when I'm at the table. Ears perk up quite a bit when that happens and it's always bad for me/the game... The code is: never out a fellow pro. If people don't think he's a pro so they give him all the action/they want to exchange numbers with him to set up hu matches or whatever- and they don't do this stuff for you because you look/sound/act like a pro, that's on you imo. Step your game up. Ditch the backpack. Dress like a grown-up. Have grown-up conversation. Don't be a self-absorbed never give an inch nit. Be fine with everyone thinking you are a fish every time you run bad. Etc. Don't cock-block him though, because he's the reason you are even sitting in the juicy 20-40-80 nl game on a slow December Wednesday morning/he can pull the plug on it at any time and you will be left degening your life away playing Taiwanese with the other pros who don't know how to build/maintain good games imo... TYVM." (End of Post #2721)

"I used to look and act like a pro too. I played my A game all the time, never drank, etc. But then I realized that was short sighted and that my earnings depended so much on a good game always being there for me. So I got proactive and went pretty Keyser Soze about 8 years ago and I've never looked back. Not only do I not have to face extreme resentment when I run hot now, but I can build good games out of thin air practically. I am not intimidating looking/acting- people will sit down and play sh, I only self-depracate my abilities/talk down my results, I NEVER talk about being a pro or whatever, and I sacrifice a TON of short-term EV for the good of the game.

"The dividends of ^^^ are amazing. And while I realize the extremes to which I and a few other pros (like busticator) go to are not for everyone, all pros could use a little more common sense wrt appearance, table talk, buy in amounts, etc imo. Either way, they should never ever ever **** on those of us doing all the work building and maintaining the juicy games they find on Bravo. Instead they should be grateful and do what they can to contribute- even if that means just smiling and putting their goddam straddle out lol." (Middle of Post #2724)

2plus2er asks: "Just curious, what is dressed like a pro in 2016?" (Post #2727)


DGAF responds: "Athletic wear, backpack, bini, iPad, etc. Buy in for ten trillion in 5-10. Talk about "EV" and "fish" and "ranges" and "variance" and "good games" and "bank rolls" and "downswings". And so on... (Post #2730)

Thoughts?
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Comments

  • AlexB Posts: 160Subscriber
    Whenever someone talks about ranges and EV I just say something like what kind of range are we talking about, gas or electric?
    Can you explain to us what you mean by range?
    Or.. let's change the subject to politics
  • maphacks Posts: 2,009Subscriber
    edited December 2016
    yes absolutely. at least leave your backpack at home...I wonder what's in there anyways...trillions of $$$ :D?
  • DavidChan Posts: 1,208Pro
    edited December 2016
    IMHO, backpacks drive me crazy whenever I see poker players wearing them. Poker players wearing huge headphones is probably the second most annoying thing that drives me crazy whenever I see them. Poker players wearing basketball/gym/etc. clothes to the poker room is a close third.
  • GhostDogGhostDog Posts: 328Subscriber
    DavidChan said:
    IMHO, backpacks drive me crazy whenever I see poker players wearing them. Poker players wearing huge headphones is probably the second most annoying thing that drives me crazy whenever I see them. Poker players wearing basketball/gym/etc. clothes to the poker room is a close third.
    I don't get this. What does it matter if someone wears a backpack or not? How many players have you seen wearing a hoodie, headphones and a backpack and they still suck at the game?

    I think actually talking strat or using strictly poker lingo is waaaaaay worse than wearing these things.

    JMHO
  • DavidChan Posts: 1,208Pro
    edited December 2016
    I care because the recs care about those things. I have had friendly conversations with recs who have complained to me about backpack pros, iPad nits, etc. These things make for a predatory/unfriendly atmosphere that drives recs away from big bet poker.

    I think that a lot of players who play smaller games don't think of this as a big issue, but it does make a difference in bigger games. I have seen a lot of rich recs choose to play tiny games becaude they were no longer having fun playing unfriendly lineups in bigger games.
    by 1hobe
  • GhostDogGhostDog Posts: 328Subscriber
    DavidChan said:

    I think that a lot of players who play smaller games don't think of this as a big issue, but it does make a difference in bigger games. I have seen a lot of rich rece choose to play tiny games becaude they were no longer having fun playing unfriendly lineups in bigger games.
    This I can definitely see. Way easier for low limit players to find good games. They're all good!
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    edited December 2016
    maphacks said:
    yes absolutely. at least leave your backpack at home...I wonder what's in there anyways...trillions of $$$ :D?
    Mondern day man purse. Men have finally figured out why its so nice to carry a purse like us gals.. (btw if you got a Louis Vuitton backpack I bet NO one would think you were a pro) :wink:

    us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/men/mens-bags/backpacks?campaign=sem_GG-US-ENG-EC-BRAN-BAGM&gclid=CJKw9c3_itECFU1ffgod9rQFeQ

    by 1Krista
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    GhostDog said:
    DavidChan said:
    IMHO, backpacks drive me crazy whenever I see poker players wearing them. Poker players wearing huge headphones is probably the second most annoying thing that drives me crazy whenever I see them. Poker players wearing basketball/gym/etc. clothes to the poker room is a close third.
    I don't get this. What does it matter if someone wears a backpack or not? How many players have you seen wearing a hoodie, headphones and a backpack and they still suck at the game?

    I think actually talking strat or using strictly poker lingo is waaaaaay worse than wearing these things.

    JMHO
    GhostDog.. I would say it telegraphs non verbal information that they are serious and ready for battle.. not exactly what as a rec you want to see.. The absolute worst is a backpack headsets and hoodie.. On the opposite side anyone with sunglasses is auto categorized as rec.. so maybe as a pro you should wear sunglasses as a disguise..

    I have always dressed nice but comfy at the poker room. I would wear less (ie show off the girls) but I am always so cold at casinos that I dress up a bit but wear a nice jacket etc.. and I can hide alot in my purse ie stuff I need.. and I only wear headphones during tourneys and they are small and in ear so some players might not even notice..
  • maphacks Posts: 2,009Subscriber
    1,5k+ for a backpack which is probably produced for less than $10? hmmmm.....
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    maphacks said:
    1,5k+ for a backpack which is probably produced for less than $10? hmmmm.....
    lol.. I want a study on men having Louis Vuitton backpacks add to win rate!!!
    by 1BKism
  • Jacklamb Posts: 561Subscriber
    edited December 2016
    You're really about that LV backpack, hammah..$2k for a backpack, no thanks.
    I agree with most of the above. If you're going to be playing cash consistently and have weekly rec players come in, it's important to understand that they are where the money is. Every time I see some one yell at a fish for hitting two pair with 72s and winning (from MP) I cringe because it's such a losing play you should be happy. You want to encourage bad play and make the game not about ego but about playing good poker.
    As far as big headphones go, though, they're so comfortable. Not sure I would go without them.
    And as far as dressing, looking presentable never hurt anyone for anything.
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,546Subscriber
    Dress and act non-threatening, non-ego, recreationally playing, predictably never bluffing, entertaining, idiot...... when in secret you an aggressive, mind manipulating, bluffing, observant, strategizing, value maximizing shark.

    Image is a decent chunk of your winnings.
  • squishmytomatosquishmytomato Posts: 352SubscriberProfessional
    im v guilty of hoodie/athletic gear look, but that's wut i wear everyday pretty much no matter wut.

    otoh I'm always friendly and accommodating to rec players. joking, talking sports, encouraging straddles etc. when regs start talking strat I change the subject or play dumb.

    i really really really dislike the guys who came to table w headphones on hoodie up and never say a word to anyone.
  • BartBart Posts: 6,077AdministratorLeadPro
    edited December 2016
    squishmytomato said:
    im v guilty of hoodie/athletic gear look, but that's wut i wear everyday pretty much no matter wut.

    Everyone is just wondering if you are underage not looking at your clothes.
  • JKH Posts: 835Subscriber
    edited December 2016
    I find that it's the really big winning pro"s that are willing to go the extra mile to look non-threatening and create a solid inviting environment for the rec players. "The 1%" of poker players, the big big winners.
    The small winners /break even players I find are too busy treading water to concern themselves with these things.
    The players that have strategy down for most every situation try to create an environment to keep the good times rolling.
    Players still sorting out strategy are too busy thinking of plus ev plays to concern themselves with above the rim things such as appearance and environment.


    This is just my opinion/observation
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    squishmytomato said:
    im v guilty of hoodie/athletic gear look, but that's wut i wear everyday pretty much no matter wut.

    otoh I'm always friendly and accommodating to rec players. joking, talking sports, encouraging straddles etc. when regs start talking strat I change the subject or play dumb.

    i really really really dislike the guys who came to table w headphones on hoodie up and never say a word to anyone.
    squishy has always been friendly to me. :-) #rec. ha ha. oh and he looks great for a 16 yr old! #insidejoke
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    JKH said:
    I find that it's the really big winning pro"s that are willing to go the extra mile to look non-threatening and create a solid inviting environment for the rec players. "The 1%" of poker players, the big big winners.
    The small winners /break even players I find are too busy treading water to concern themselves with these things.
    The players that have strategy down for most every situation try to create an environment to keep the good times rolling.
    Players still sorting out strategy are too busy thinking of plus ev plays to concern themselves with above the rim things such as appearance and environment.


    have you ever seen tuchman at the table? lol.

    This is just my opinion/observation
  • Joanna Posts: 428Member
    I think recs are smarter than pros give them credit for. I think they're not as easily fooled by outward appearances and behaviors as some may think. If go anti-pro in your look, etc but they see you there every time they're there... oops.
  • iamallin Posts: 1,173SubscriberProfessional
    edited December 2016
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