CAUTION LONG BUT NEED TO SET UP THE EXPLANATION. SORRY
At my local casino the jackpot is Aces full of Tens beat by quads or better. Most common example is a big ace vs a pair of tens + with 3 aces on the board. The player with the ace's kicker must play. The person with the bad beat gets half the jackpot, the winner of the hand 1/4 and the rest is a table share.
My question and debate with other friends/players at this casino is the following:
1. As the player with the pair of tens plus, vs a villain that is firing away on a flop or turn when there are 2 aces out there and the pre flop action dictates the likelihood of jackpot scenario as described above........Can that player use the 1 out to the last ace almost like implied odds that she will get paid the jackpot money from the pot as well?
2. Since the person with the big ace's kicker must play, the board is obviously much better if it is something like AA2-7 roughly. So....from a math perspective if we think our opponent has an ace and his kicker plays and he is betting,
can we include our 2 outs to our boat and 1 out to an ace which gives us the jackpot, thus needing about 45:1 in total pot odds if we include the 50% of the jackpot? and just consider the 2 outs a free roll sort of?
Sorry for the long wind
700 effective 3/5 game. 30k jackpot
V1 raises to 20, 1 caller,
Hero who is a very tight player in CO 3 bets to 70 with KK
(150) Flop AcAd3h
Villain bets 100 on the flop (now maybe this villain is a reg and is well aware of the jackpot and thinks hero will call because of jackpot considerations) or maybe he is just betting an ace, or he has A2 and his kicker won't play. Or he is just tilted. Who knows why he is betting, but he raised pre flop and called a 3 bet from OOP against a tight player.
(350) Turn 7d.
Villain bets 250.
Now Hero squarely puts villain on an ace. Maybe a kicker that does't play, but can't be sure, but since he raised pre and called a 3 bet we put him on A10 plus
Is it pos EV in giving yourself 45:1 in odds to hit that ace and lose the pot and probably your stack but win the 15K in jackpot.
250x45 is 11250. Plus you have 2 outs to a jack.
what if jack pot is 50K? etc.