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*** 2/5 AQ in 3bet pot vs very aggro line

ClockClock Posts: 1,097Subscriber
2/5 1K cap game

HERO ( 1050 ) image neutral, recently sat down.
Villain ( covers ) young guy in his 20s.
Haven't seen them before, so not reads, he's not a reg at my casino.

V in MP opens to 15, CU calls, HERO on BU with A Q 3b to 55..
folded to opener he calls, CU folds.
Flop (130): A 8 3 V checks, HERO bets 65, V x/r to 165
HERO?

... I looked at my hand and saw that I had A which is obv bad :frown: , but I thought what would would he open to 15 that's now beating me?
I guess 33 is possible, 88 is kinda unlikely - I'd expect him to raise it to "normal" amount.
I thought he could def be doing it with any FD. Maybe he putting me on big PP and trying to rep an Ace?
HERO...calls.

Turn (460): 3 - V bets 250...
I thought that's a pretty good card for me.
HERO?....calls.

River (960): Q V shoves (~600)
HERO?
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Comments

  • Rocketman74Rocketman74 Posts: 451Subscriber
    Sure seems like a bad river card for this unknown to empty the clip on.
  • SnOwHIO Posts: 114Subscriber
    The open to 15 does seem interesting. I think his value hands here are likely A3s or 88. AK is in the realm of possibility too.

    You got a good turn card so I like the turn call and when the river comes I think you are too high in your range to fold unless you had a read on the villain. He really has so many missed flush draws and gutshot straight draws.
  • Letmewin1 Posts: 1,238Member
    You can 3! larger pre, you can also check back the flop with your hand.
    As for the river, it seems like you're about to be a hero.
  • stayinschool Posts: 2,969Subscriber
    i don't mind a flop check sometimes, think this combo with the Ad is a good one to use. Bet is certainly fine tho...

    Have to call the flop c/r, hand is just too good to fold when V could of draws and maybe a few worse hands "finding out where they are at"

    Turn is definetly a good card. A3s, 33, two hands we are definitely worried about, are significantly reduced. Need to call again on this card IMO.

    River would of been close but the Q makes this a pretty easy call IMO because some people will play AK this way. Many live players won't 4 bet pre but when they flop a FD they want to c/r to charge draws or whatever. River is a pretty easy call IMO, expecting to see V quickly turn up AK, only to descend into rage when we show AQ.
  • MonadPrimeMonadPrime Posts: 803Member
    edited June 2017
    I bet/fold flop readless. We call/pray he has AJ or T9dd? Hope is a dangerous thing.

    As played turn call is good, river is a call.
  • ohsnapzbrah Posts: 632Subscriber
    MonadPrime said:
    I bet/fold flop readless. We call/pray he has AJ or T9dd? Hope is a dangerous thing.

    As played turn call is good, river is a call.
    Seems too nitty IMO. I like the check back line as well. A bet may get called by AJ/AT, but it certainly isn't a 3 street hand. Best to take flop off and then bet the turn, can credibly rep KK/QQ hands when he checks turn and keeps his range much wider.

    Flop is a call. I'd be a bit worried about 33/88, but other than that he could have flatted with good blocker hands like KQdd, KJdd, KTdd, QJdd, etc along with some other Ax hands.

    Turn is a mandatory call. I don't think there are any A3 in his range anymore as there is some chance that a player will use it as a 4bet bluff and there's just 1 combo left that's suited. 1 combo of 33, 3 combos of 88, 8 combos (at best - probably more like 4) of AK combined with just 5 or 6 flush draw combos makes it a mathematical call.

    River is an easy call. We beat all but 4 combos. It looks like we have AK, maybe AQ and our villain can think that the Q reduces our AQ combos to slim. It's a weird spot where he could jam his entire turn betting range OTR, but turn his AK into a bluff (getting us off of AK).
  • MonadPrimeMonadPrime Posts: 803Member
    edited June 2017
    ohsnapzbrah said:
    MonadPrime said:
    I bet/fold flop readless. We call/pray he has AJ or T9dd? Hope is a dangerous thing.

    As played turn call is good, river is a call.
    Seems too nitty IMO. I like the check back line as well. A bet may get called by AJ/AT, but it certainly isn't a 3 street hand. Best to take flop off and then bet the turn, can credibly rep KK/QQ hands when he checks turn and keeps his range much wider.

    Flop is a call. I'd be a bit worried about 33/88, but other than that he could have flatted with good blocker hands like KQdd, KJdd, KTdd, QJdd, etc along with some other Ax hands.

    Turn is a mandatory call. I don't think there are any A3 in his range anymore as there is some chance that a player will use it as a 4bet bluff and there's just 1 combo left that's suited. 1 combo of 33, 3 combos of 88, 8 combos (at best - probably more like 4) of AK combined with just 5 or 6 flush draw combos makes it a mathematical call.

    River is an easy call. We beat all but 4 combos. It looks like we have AK, maybe AQ and our villain can think that the Q reduces our AQ combos to slim. It's a weird spot where he could jam his entire turn betting range OTR, but turn his AK into a bluff (getting us off of AK).
    Were in a 3! pot vs an unknown who was the original raiser -- most people live are going to play very ABC in this spot. How many moves or overplays do you give an unknown in this spot? I don't give them many -- and skew toward none to protect myself in a murky equity/limited info spot. You can call it nitty but until I see some sane range analysis on a readless player my point stands. We beat AJ , a very small # of FD & lose to AK/A8s/A3s/88/33. Our equity is terrible. Were way behind here. We're lucky if we're 35-40% here, and really can't stand a barrel on many turns.

    If we were online, yeah we'd float this raise almost always, but we're in a 2/5 live game. We cannot range unknowns the same way or just make some random call down because "I'm at the top of my range!". I mean, you can, but that logic can be abused/misapplied, and you dont need to play that way unless we know villain is tough/solid or bad-aggressive.
  • beauregard Posts: 1,592Subscriber
    I like your action pre... although would prefer if AQ were suited...
    but I'm not sure about your flop bet...

    being that we've got the A in our hand - what worse hands are we getting value from in a 3-bet pot?
    do we really think V is calling a 3-bet from oop with AT or A9, and will give us 3 streets of action?

    not sure about the "why"/purpose behind your bet.
    we probably don't care if another comes, right?
    so why the bet?
    it's not for protection. and it doesn't seem like we can get a lot of value...
    what worse hands are calling here?

    I dunno... I think I'd put AQos in my check/back range on this favorable flop



    that said... it doesn't solve the river shove that we're now facing...

    there are a LOT of busted flush draws that we could be facing... even some with Q X
    I don't see quads playing this so aggressively - but set of 8s or As may... (4 total combos)
    A8s and A3s seem very unlikely too... (4 total combos)
    AKs is possible... and likely... (2 available combos of suited)
    Seems like there are more busted draw hands that we beat than "made hands" that crush us.

    What's especially interesting is the big river bet... not really big by pot standards - but big by size in a 1k capped game.
    It feels more like a "go away" bet than a "call me" bet... so it feels more "bluffy"

    I don't think I can fold top two here...
  • ClockClock Posts: 1,097Subscriber
    beauregard said:
    I like your action pre... although would prefer if AQ were suited...
    but I'm not sure about your flop bet...

    being that we've got the A in our hand - what worse hands are we getting value from in a 3-bet pot?
    do we really think V is calling a 3-bet from oop with AT or A9, and will give us 3 streets of action?

    I wouldn't expect any big Ace to open to 15, so I'd put him on some Axs or some kinda suited connector etc or possibly small PP

    I didn't have any reads on him, so who knows if he does call 3bet with A rag suited, but if he does I don't expect him to fold when he flops an Ace, so the bet is def for value.
    If he calls, I can size it down and get 3 streets if not I think it's easier to get 2 streets on flop turn.
    Also he could have a FD, so why not charge for it.

  • ClockClock Posts: 1,097Subscriber
    Spoiler:
    stayinschool said:
    . River is a pretty easy call IMO, expecting to see V quickly turn up AK, only to descend into rage when we show AQ.
    You nailed it LOL :lol:

    I called, V turned over AK quickly and with "force", fully expecting to be good.
    I turned over AQ and he descended into rage and ran off exactly as you predicted LOL :tu:

    I def got lucky river, but I think it was pretty retarded way to play AK if you ask me... :???:
    If river was some blank, I think I'd be folding to a shove...



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