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Crush Live Poker Video No. 301: Cbetting in Single Raised Pots

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Rob examines some cbet situations as the preflop raiser in single raised pots. We discuss alternative bet sizes on certain boards as well as how to select which hands to cbet bluff with

http://www.crushlivepoker.com/videos/cbetting-in-single-raised-pots

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  • MikeZ Posts: 35Subscriber
    Hi Rob, your doing a great job - love your grind podcasts! But I disagree the first time with your thoughts on the first hand and I would like to explain you my thoughts - why should we check with 88 on a Q77 board and let the villain realize his equity ? Clearly this is neither a value bet nor a bluff - but why can we not deny villain his equity he might have with his overs ? In my opinion this is a great board to bet because it is so hard for the villain to hit this board and there is almost nothing he can connect - so I would bet with the intention to fold out his equity and to not beeing bluffed of the best hand when a overcard to my 88 come and he bets ... I look forward to hear your thoughts ... Mike (a great fan!)
  • RobFarha Posts: 173Pro
    MikeZ said:
    Hi Rob, your doing a great job - love your grind podcasts! But I disagree the first time with your thoughts on the first hand and I would like to explain you my thoughts - why should we check with 88 on a Q77 board and let the villain realize his equity ? Clearly this is neither a value bet nor a bluff - but why can we not deny villain his equity he might have with his overs ? In my opinion this is a great board to bet because it is so hard for the villain to hit this board and there is almost nothing he can connect - so I would bet with the intention to fold out his equity and to not beeing bluffed of the best hand when a overcard to my 88 come and he bets ... I look forward to hear your thoughts ... Mike (a great fan!)
    Hello.

    So I think a lot of people tend to cbet spots like this because it makes the hand much simpler to play. By betting, you're pretty much always going to check back twice unimproved and there's never going to be a "should I hero call here?" spot that a lot of players are very scared of. You will often lose a bigger pot/more money by cbetting here as well. There's also arguments to not cbet here because our hand is not great to continue versus a raise. I know certain villians play very faceup and dont c/r enough, but if you see people cbetting these type of merged hands a whole lot, you should be checkraising flop a lot as it'll put them in difficult spots they could have avoided by playing more checks IP. This is something I'll discuss next episode.

    Sometimes, against certain opponents when we take certain lines we have to call with marginal hands (unless we have reads they're massively underbluffing). We should also have some Qx to check back here as well.

    Like I mentioned in the video, there are merits to betting 88 as opposed to say JJ because there are less overcards to come.

    However, the real problem with cbetting hands like this too frequently is that when more money goes in the pot you very often have 2 outs.

    So the question I'd ask is -

    Is the value of "denying equity" more valuable than making a bet that can't really get called by worse/fold better?

    I would say that it's not, because when you cbet a larger sizing and get called you've effectively put in 30-35$ etc with a <10% hand.

    If I was going to elect to cbet 88 here I'd be going with a very small size (as part of my overall strategy) that can realistically get called by worse. I much prefer playing a lot of checks on this board because the Q high boards are better for caller than they are for raiser (he has a better ratio of Qx in his overall range than we do).

    In these live games people tend to default to 30-35$ here which is too big of a size to really hope we get called by say ATo or 66-22 etc. If you are cbetting this texture, I prefer very small with a wide array of hands. I'm very confident that betting large with all your pairs is going to show a loss over the long run because villain can just call all his good hands and fold the bad ones. He'll be profiting against your cbet by playing a very ABC strategy. That's the real problem with cbetting too frequently here imo.
  • MikeZ Posts: 35Subscriber
    Thank you so much / really makes sense now!
    Hope to meet at WSOP2018 ...
    Or maybe you and the other Pro's come to Wsop Europe 2017 at the Kings Casino :)
  • eselspiel Posts: 115Subscriber
    Rob,
    love the clear and concise explanations in your videos. Hopefully you will continue to make videos after WSOP.
  • CardwzzleCardwzzle Posts: 15Subscriber
    This solved so many of my confusing cbet situations... Thank you so much Rob!!!!
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