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Flopped flush in passive 1/3 game, lot of action

Very passive 1/3 game at an Indian casino in California. Table is mostly full of older (50+), recreational players. There are almost no preflop raises, and it's the kind of game where you can limp in to make a strong hand and get paid off by top pair. Been at the table for maybe an hour and haven't seen much action or very large pots so far.

Hero limps behind in MP2 with Q T. Six players see the flop.

Flop ($13): K J 5

Checks to UTG+1 who leads out for $10. V1 in MP1 raises very quickly to $30. Hero calls (??). Folds around to V2 in the small blind who now check raises all in for $200 total. UTG+1 folds. V1 immediately calls all in for a bit less (maybe $190). Action is on hero facing a $170 call into $443 pot.

Random bit of information: V1 is in seat 5, and Hero is in seat 6. After calling all in, V1 holds his cards up high to look at them, before Hero has acted yet. A card that looks like either 6 or 8 is showing (it was impossible not to see this).

I was really torn about what to do here. These were all level 0 players, so nobody is making a play with just the naked A. It's possible A Qx (yes, many players here would limp that). Both players have some sort of made hands, one definitely has a flush. Is this a clear call or a clear fold? I don't know what to make of the action and flopping the second nuts here. What range would you put V2 on?


  • QuantumSurfer Posts: 133Subscriber
    Seems like an excellent time to make an ISO raise pre-flop. Passive games like this one are just made for steamrolling.
  • kaboojiekaboojie Posts: 360Subscriber
    I agree with QuantumSurfer. I'd rather ISO raise pre.

    AP I think you have to call here. You're getting better than 2.5 to 1 on your money. You need to win like 27% of the time. to be profitable. I think there are enough combo draws and smaller flushes in these V's ranges to make the call.
  • MonadPrimeMonadPrime Posts: 803Member
    Gross spot. I've made crazier hero folds, so I can see an argument either way. It's probably better to GII though as sets, top two, and TP+FD probably don't fold. We're behind 7 combos of Axhh, and ahead of like 20-30 other random XXhh that are overplaying their hand here. In a multiway pot though the small flushes, sets, etc. must get discounted somewhat (even fish make hero folds sometimes), so it's closer than combos make it seem.
  • Sonny Posts: 390Subscriber
    I'm getting it in here. Never under estimate the stupidity of 1/3 players. We're getting a good price and its possible that one of the villains has the A with either a Kx or a Jx. We also have an out, which doesn't make much of a difference, but at least we're not drawing dead which is good for a few % equity.
  • GrinddaddyGrinddaddy Posts: 37Subscriber
    How many sets two pair are out there I mean that's a get it in spot if I ever saw one and why he shove the nuts right there and give his opponents a chance to get away from it
  • JamesSuh Posts: 319Subscriber
    I don't think I'd fold here. Players in these passive type of games will definitely overvalue hands that you have crushed. If you were beaten on the flop here by A8 of hearts, and the other guy has like top two or something, don't forget you still have one out to hit :)
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