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FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 1,709Subscriber
So I go to the casino to play on Saturday.

There is one 2/5 table. I go and sit down. I notice one tricky pro, one backpack pro, one thinking LAG, one overly aggressive pro. All have $1500+ in front of them. So that's 4 tough players.

There are 2 short stacks with ~$250 eacy, and 2 recs who look like they are scared shitless for roughly $400 to $500 each.

After 5 hands I promptly get up and leave. I literally go to the 1/2 game and wait for the next table.

1 hour later the next 2/5 opens up. One bad TAG, One bad LAG, One predictable LAG, me, and 5 passive players. People are calling $30, $35, $50 raises and draining the LAGs that all the LAGs stop being Laggy and turn passive. The game is fantastic.

I look back over at the 1st table. Same pros playing each other. I sit here scratching my head. These guys all play for a living. I constantly see them playing each other. I am always bum hunting.


  • Jesse_The_Suit Posts: 274Subscriber
    I see the same shit everyday. 5 or 6 pros at a 2-5 game, right next to 2-5 game that has 2 pros and 7 recs and a 1-3 game with 9 recs. It's got to be ego/laziness. Only thing I can think of anyway.
  • Jack7777 Posts: 595Subscriber
    I go to a couple of casinos like that, only usually they just have one table. They may not be as capable as these players you mention, but they sit there all the time playing each other. If a new player sits, the game picks up until they leave. Then it's back to paint drying. These places play with a rock on the 2-5 game. So, it $10 to go from all over the table. Position. The new guy never gets his button, so he can't play his weaker opening hands as easy. It's a $10 blind game, it not 2-5. The floor lets these guys run the game they want, whether it's good or bad for the room. These rooms used to have two 2/5's and a must move on weekends. Now, just the 2/5 rock game. Clue.
  • AJoff Posts: 531Subscriber
    A couple years back I read a PGC where the OP posts a about a “weak, passive” villain. A couple days later another poster links a thread where the villain posted the hand from her perspective and called the PGC op an “aggro donk”.

    Prolly easier for the players you are describing to convince themselves they have an edge than to move down.
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 1,709Subscriber
    Most of the pros I meet are not that good but they can beat the fish. Some barely competent, and others are incredibly aggressive. But 90% of them don't understand all the other factors involved in playing for a living. The non-hand play factors.
  • ActionTwin Posts: 133Subscriber
    I see this all the time, most notably in my trips to Vegas. Every session I've seen pros sitting in games filled with one another while there's multiple way better games right around them. If there's a decent amount of winning players in the rooms you play then game selection is everything in regards to your win rate. Bum hunt, bum hunt, bum hunt. I live in LA and play there mostly and it's even more of a consideration in those games due to the high drop. While the games are softer in LA, the presence of a couple winners in your game can really suck up your win rate when there's already $240 coming off the table every single hour in the form of drop, jackpot, and tips. I really think at the $5 blind level if there are 2 or more winning players at your table other than you then it's time to table change unless there are whales at your table.
  • CycleV Posts: 305Subscriber
    I want to say thanks to you guys for providing me with some perspective. Between my 2 small poker rooms there is only a single 2/5 table. I keep wanting to "move up", "be a 2/5 player", but the lineup is usually 5-6 full-time players and 1-3 short stacks. I've only played in the game a few times, when it looked like a decent opportunity. Otherwise, every time my name comes up, I look over at it, then back at my fun and usually unchallenging 1/3 table and say, "Nah, I'm good."

    The casino with 2/5 is expanding to 10 tables and will prob run a pair of 2/5 games (must move), so I will always have my eye open for new faces, but I can probably stop beating myself up for not "being a 2/5 player". I'm also close to nonstop chatter, and the idea of being surrounded by 5 earbud players would bore me to tears.
  • Jesse_The_Suit Posts: 274Subscriber
    That's actually another factor I think about when selecting between 2/5 and 1/3. A game with a bunch of nit-grinders is way less fun to play in than a splashy 1-3 game (where people are talking and having a good time). If you are a pro, it might not really be an option, but for those of us who are semi-pros/advantage-rec players, it's totally reasonable to consider how much fun it will be to play at a particular game.
    by 1CycleV
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,027SubscriberProfessional
    I guess no must move at your casino? Yesterday I was in a rather good must move game then one by one we got moved over to the main game. That game was awful when I first got to the casino. there were 4 winning pros there.. 1 of which is a pretty good player..

    but as they all left one by one the game got better and better as the recs moved over to the main game.. til finally the main game was better than the must move.

    I find sometimes in these pro and reg heavy games that interesting things happen that you would never see at the better game. Pro on Pro violence when one pro tries to outplay the other pro. If one pro loses a big pot and then goes on tilt then you can have a game turn on a dime..

    that said I too see regs sit there in bad games because they are too lazy or too involved in their phones , ipads etc to care.

  • CycleV Posts: 305Subscriber
    "advantage-rec player", man I love that term. Way sexier than "studious rec" or some such
  • Jesse_The_Suit Posts: 274Subscriber
    I didn't coin it I am afraid. It's what some nit grinder called me at the table.
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 1,709Subscriber
    Had another funny incident at the casino.

    Come in with 3x 2/5 tables open. 1 is bad, 1 is meh, 1 looks promising but some short stacks. I look over @ the 1/2 tables. There is one table where 3 players have $50 or less, 1 player $300, and 4 players have $750-$1000 and the open seat is on their left.


    Not one good player at the table. Walked out with $800 that night playing 4 hours. Players who play 2/5 for a living didn't even notice it.
  • ohsnapzbrah Posts: 442Subscriber
    I think there are a few things you can do to combat this. Perhaps the biggest thing is to be able to play multiple games. On occasion, even though I'm not great or good at PLO by any means, I've switched from a 2/5 NLHE game to a 2/2 PLO game, because that's where the money was at. Or I've turned down playing 2/5 games because my 1/2 table was so good or I had a God like image that would allow me to run over the table.

    Pros have egos. Just like football or basketball. LeBron James has won fewer titles than he should have, because he has a huge ego. Look at Golden State, Individually, they're not as talented as LeBron. But they put aside their egos and play GTO basketball, and they're far more accomplished than LeBron. And it's the same thing with poker. Those regs may be better than the guy refusing to play the reg-infested higher game, but that guy will have a higher hourly because he doesn't let his ego dictate how he plays.
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 1,709Subscriber
    I got zero ego in this game. I am there to make money. I put the money in retirement accounts and let compound interest do the work tax free.
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