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I just check folded AA. Am I bad?

z7 Posts: 225Subscriber
V1 just sat down. V2 is tilting but not getting out of line. He just calls a lot.

V1 250 V2 600-700.

V1 limps and another limp. I raise to 30 with red AA in MP

V2 button calls and both limpers call.

Flop 4 ways (125) KhJs9s

2 checks I check and V2 bets 50. V1 calls. 1 fold and I tank fold.

How do I play this? This flop seems to smash literally all of their ranges. So I checked. Seems like the worst flop for my hand. Then when there’s a bet and a call. I don’t see how I can arrive at a river and play this profitably. I can never value bet and I have no idea when I’m good and can call.
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  • maphacks Posts: 1,999Subscriber
    clear cbet. AP, against a small bet it's a clear call. against a big bet it's still a call. the overcaller isn't too bad. yes you will fold a bunch of turns or rivers but you very likely have the best hand right now.
  • BartBart Posts: 5,835AdministratorLeadPro
    With the pot being $125 and facing a bet of $50 and a call you are getting 4.5-1 in pot odds. Do you think that AA has 18% equity vs both players?

    My god it has probably 60-70% equity in this spot. FLOP is definitely a bet especially without the A. Even if someone showed you KJ you still can probably call the flop with the amount of action cards that may come to get a free card to the river. Its not like people are checking through KQ, KT on the button. He may even be betting AJ. And limper can have a ton of hands that you beat.
  • z7 Posts: 225Subscriber
    Not thinking I didn’t have the equity to call. I just didn’t think I’d be able to realize my equity a majority of the time
  • neverlearn2 Posts: 2,828Subscriber
    If I'm checking it cause

    I'm going the check raise cause wet board more TP hands bet here and more hands we beat will call

    Or I check too call a bet and to lead big a lot of turns baby. Usually this option leads me to vakue iwnibg myself but the few times it doesn't you will feel like Johnny chan.

    But yea. I'm not folding to bet on flop if we were to check
  • Jesse_The_Suit Posts: 493SubscriberProfessional
    You are right this flop lights up a calling range, but that's what we want with an overpair. If the flop comes 7 high and everyone has whiffed overcards they are going to fold. We want them to have draws, or pair plus draws. Now, this certainly a flop that I flnd a fold on I'd say, I bet, and someone raised, and someone flated behind. Paradoxically, checking in this spot makes the had harder to play, because if you check call, someone might dump the clip on you with AK/KQ thinking they have the best hand, whereas if you come out firing, they are just going to be in check call mode. As for realizing our equity, on clean runout (I.e lowcards that don't bring in the flush) I'd probably just bet on all three streets. You aren't going through run into players at this level who are going to turn go nuts on you semi-bluffing a draw to try to get you off what is obviously a strong hand. It's important to think ahead, but don't take it too far.
  • z7 Posts: 225Subscriber
    Yeah I talked to a guy about it at the casino on the side. He said 5/5 players aren’t coming to fold and they aren’t coming to raise light. At a 5/10 game he said he could see a fold (not for this price) on flop. But in the 5/5 it’s a mandatory bet.

    Guess I took this one too far. My minds in PLO mode I guess. So I am bad
  • Jesse_The_Suit Posts: 493SubscriberProfessional
    Don't think about it that way man. We are all learning, that's why we are here. I look back at my plays from months ago (or weeks ago) and think "what a supid play." Making mistakes and reflecting on them is what makes us get better. What keeps most players bad is they are gamblers at heart - it's always the cards never the play that's to blame. Just keep trying to get better and you are way ahead of the curve
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,316Subscriber
    You can bet or you can check. but you have to call when you check. Your play depends on the field.
  • pokertime Posts: 2,180Subscriber
    Yea, I can deal with a check but you have to call. Prefer Cbet. Your saying you may not realize your equity but you are ahead a lot here so it’s already realized. If the turn is Qs and people start drooling a shoveling money in we can look at a fold but no way on this flop and a small bet.
  • pokertime Posts: 2,180Subscriber
    And the fact you are here posting to learn means your not bad you just made an error which we all do.
  • nickdevo1 Posts: 163Subscriber
    as played, once you check, and you see a weak button bet of $50 into $120, and a weak V1 call, I think the turn is a raise with intent to get it in right there. a piece and a draw will call off and then all you have to do is fade turn and river.
    so, on turn, check raise to like $275, call a shove if anybody does that, and then lead out all clean turns. if the turn is super dirty, then you may have to puke-fold.
  • boredoo Posts: 223Subscriber
    I think it's important to keep in mind that you can call profitably in hands that you usually lose.

    However, in this case, I think you still don't usually lose this hand.

    $50 isn't an especially strong bet. You should be betting this flop. Gets value and makes all other decisions easier.

    What was showdown?
  • z7 Posts: 225Subscriber
    Spoiler:
    Button had QT for the straight. Other player had fd. Board came turn came a off suit Q. River offsuit T for a straight on the board. Guy with fd tried to bluff a chop. Other guy called. I scoop with A high straight had I stayed in.
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