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1/3 Bottom set, ever a fold? 230 eff.

neverlearn2 Posts: 2,827Subscriber
edited February 2018 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
Hero covers, Villain and hero go way back. IDK how good he is but he knows basics for sure. he clicked it back on me before with 2 pair on a dryish flop.

Hero BB 33. BTN Miss. Straddle on for 6. I call, 6 other calls haha.

FLOP 3 6 A

I lead 20, he says last time i min raise you and makes it 40, everyone folds. I think for a second and just call here. Maybe 1st mistake.

TURN Qx

I check, Villain checks. before the turn he asks if I want to check it down and I say no thanks haha.

RIVER Ax

I lead 60, he ships almost instant. I tank call, in reality I tanked yelled god damn it and fuck than covered my face with my hands than yelled i cant fold and called. its a fun table.

easy fold? haha obv in heat of moment i went through his flopped flushes and Ax. I dont know if he has bluffs here though. I tanked for a bit too.

Comments

  • Fletch23 Posts: 112Subscriber
    edited February 2018
    I don’t see how you can fold this.

    Too many Ax hands and flushes for him to have.

    Maybe I suck, but I’m never folding here.
  • neverlearn2 Posts: 2,827Subscriber
    will we both suck then
  • Sonny Posts: 390Subscriber
    What do we loose to?
    AA
    AQ
    QQ
    A6
    A3
    66
    Am I missing any?

    Obviously we have the worst full house. However thats not a lot of hands that beat us.. We can probably rule out AA and QQ due to the flop limping, and probably rule out AQ also as that would more than likely raise. We can also basically rule out A3 since we block the 3's.
    So after that you're really only loosing to A6 and 66, and possibly AxQ:c:. as played.
    I will concide that a lot of $1/3 players won't go all in without at least a full house on this board, but from your description this player doesn't sound that tight.
    Call it a cooler I guess.
    I think a bigger bet on the flop is in order. Charge the draws, and take control of the hand. The $20 on the flop looks kinda "meh" like maybe you have the K:c: or something and from that the opponent raises since they think they have the best hand, so now we're worried about whether or not we have the best hand and as a result the turn gets checked through.

    Maybe he's never folding, but if we bet bigger on the flop and then bet the turn for a decent sizing he might not make it to the river, and we don't get coolered. Obviously we want two pair to call us down, but if you bet the hand for value as you probably should be, then it doesn't let him get there for free and put us in a spot where we loose all our chips.
    As is though, I play $1/3 a lot, and if I river a full house on a montone flop after I bet the flop and am raised, I'm calling off all day.
    by 1Stoked
  • neverlearn2 Posts: 2,827Subscriber
    edited February 2018
    yea after hand he said he was going with it regardless. fir FH he had A6 66 A3 here. AQ wont take this line.

    idk even with the price beng laid was just wondering if folding is an option here.

    I thought he would have more flushes here than 2 pair honestly and that is what led me to call.

    he tables A6o. Looking back now i think he was afraid obv of a flush from me but I thought he would be betting turns with everything on a blank. If i check river and he bets im probably gonna ship over.
  • KSMKSM Posts: 222Subscriber
    edited February 2018
    You'd have to make quite the player exploit to fold here. Long story short, we have 75bbs and a full house. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
  • neverlearn2 Posts: 2,827Subscriber
    Thanks ksm.
    by 1KSM
  • stayinschool Posts: 2,969Subscriber
    I don't come to the casino to fold full houses

    Sometimes you just get stacked
  • Jesse_The_Suit Posts: 493SubscriberProfessional
    Yeah, I certainly think there are spots to fold sets at low stakes (e.g. when a nit raises you on the river when a flush comes in) but it's lot harder to fold a full house. He could be overplaying a weirdly played nut flush. The fact that he didn't raise pre eliminates some of the full houses you lose to (aq/aa). So you are basically just losing to A3/A6/66. Against the vast majority of players, you have to call when he could so easily be overplaying a flush. Or if he is a psycho an unfull ace. Tap table, reload.
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