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TT facing turn raise from competent aggro

2/5 550 eff

V is one of the more laggy reg/pros in the casino. Very capable of putting players in tough spots when he thinks a player has a marginal hand.

Ep limp, Hero 25 in hj TsTd sb calls, V in B.B. calls, limper calls

(100) Flop Qh5h2o. xxxx

Turn 4o xxx Hero 50 fold, V 150, fold, Hero?

V can have A3s and some sets, but he can also have a ton of combo draws. Folding seems weak, but if I call, I think I have to be prepared to call a shove on any non heart, non straightening river.

If I shove, V is likely getting the right odds to call with his combo draws.

Appreciate any feedback

Comments

  • CycleV Posts: 912Subscriber
    Well your line looks fairly weak, so he could figure you will fold 50% so he's doing this with anything. Sure, he can have 2p+, but idk if I'm letting this one go just yet.

    Even 4 way I would've stuck a small bet out otf.
  • kaboojiekaboojie Posts: 360Subscriber
    Are you calling a shove if river is non heart, non straight card?

    A lot of the slack comments like a cbet here too. As a default, I don't normally cbet pps with an overcard. I'd rather make these hands the strong part of my checking range. With the multiway nature of this hand, I think it's close either way.
  • GrindThroughIt Posts: 23SubscriberProfessional
    As played, I'm calling turn. By checking back the flop we've made our range look weakish, and villain description tells me he's able to c/r here with a wide range. I also think it's really hard for him to show up with sets; he's competent and aggro, but checked twice multiway with a set/2pr on this texture? As @kaboojie said above, you're playing this hand as a bluffcatcher so I'd be ready to call a shove on a brick river. You call the $150, pot's $400 with $375 behind. 2-1 on a river call of his shove. I call.
    by 1hustlin
  • kaboojiekaboojie Posts: 360Subscriber
    GrindThroughIt said:
    I also think it's really hard for him to show up with sets; he's competent and aggro, but checked twice multiway with a set/2pr on this texture?
    This is a great point.
  • CycleV Posts: 912Subscriber
    kaboojie said:


    A lot of the slack comments like a cbet here too. As a default, I don't normally cbet pps with an overcard. I'd rather make these hands the strong part of my checking range. With the multiway nature of this hand, I think it's close either way.
    I don't think TT counts as a strong part of your checking range. Half the deck sucks for you. I'd cbet with KQ+ and a few weaker hands like this one that are decent but could stand to fold out some equity, most draws natch. Check back QJ/QTs, KQ vs OMC's sometimes, weaker flush draws, and 65s/54s/72o (mandatory raise pf obv).

    In general--not just this hand, but overall--the more vunerable your hand is to overcards, the more willing you should be to cbet, and contemplate a b/f line vs some V's.
  • hustlin Posts: 279Subscriber
    I prefer a cbet here as well.

    As played what grinderthought says I like. If theirs a time n place. And the right opponent to bluff catch. This is the guy.

    I'm also open to a fold as well. This is to protect your stack.

    I just go with my gut in these kind of spots
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,298Subscriber
    Why are you checking this flop? 3 people bet.
    If you want you can take a X OTT then call a river bet.

    You put yourself in a pickle here with a difficult decision. If you want to X a hand on the flop AA would be much better.
  • kaboojiekaboojie Posts: 360Subscriber
    edited September 2018
    The more I think about it, a Cbet is likely better 4 way. If it were hu, I’d check by default. I still don’t think checking is horrible, but Cbet seems better.

    That said, what if I Cbet and V c/r’s? There’s a lot of turn cards that I’m not going to like if V bets turn.

  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,298Subscriber
    There is a 60% chance no one has a Q if we include all Q hands in their range but actually it's a little less.
    SB is literally the only player that can potentially have QQ or AQ.
    BB should be 3 betting AQ or QQ.

    The chance someone has a FD is tiny ~7% per player.
    Unlikely someone is playing a naked Axo for a wheel draw vs a raise
    UTG limper clearly doesnt have a big pair but is VERY likely to have paint.

    Your TT is vulnerable to a slew of overcards. KJ, AJ, QJ.

    You don't have to blast it. $60 will do the trick. This is a dry board.
    by 1hustlin
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