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Need a solid plan to play against this LAG. Please help :)

I played with this LAG for 3 sessions in my local poker room recently.
Two 2/5 and One 5/10 sessions. (These are the biggest games in my room)
Our room usually only runs two 2/5 tables (1 main, 1 must-move).
5/10 runs during weekends.

I've been paying close attention on his plays in the last 3 sessions.
There is not many open-limp on 2/5 usually, definitely not on 5/10.
But I noticed when he is on the table, the amount of open-limp increases substantially.
Mainly because if players do not a premium hand, but a playable hand.
They will open-limp, wait for him to raise, then try to play fit&fold on the flop against him.
I do not think this strategy works well because this LAG is not dumb, when players show a huge amount of aggression. He is able to lay down his hands.

His preflop plays:
Range: any suited (even small or big gap suited), any connected, gappers, pockets and up to premiums of course.
Preflop:
1. He opens raise (min. 10x)
   -  if someone 3-bets him, doesn't matter how big the 3-bet is (unless it's a ridiculous all in 3-bet), he will call.
   -  if he has a strong hand (doesn't need to be a premium), he will 4-bet
2. If player(s) limp before him
   -  He will raise 10-20x 90% of the time.
3. A raise before his act
   -  He will 3bet (usually $100+) with a decent hand 70-80% of the time.
   -  He will call the rest of the time.
4. A 3-bet before his act
   -  He will call 50-60% of the time.
After preflop:
1. He attacks weakness.
   -  If no one bet before his act, he will bet 80-90% of the time. Usually bet the pot.
   -  If a bet before his act, he will call 50% of the time and raise 50% of the time, if there is ANY reason he can continue with his hands. (e.g. over cards, backdoor)
   -  If a bet and call(s) before his act, same as above.
   -  He will laydown his hand if a substantial aggression before his act (e.g. a bet and a raise), unless he has a very strong hand or big draw.
*Overall, his bets are huge, people play fit and fold against him. So he is able to get away from a lot of spots.


I'm a winning recreation player, play once or twice a week. I make around $4-5000/month in the past 2 years.
He sees me as a TAG. If I show aggression towards him, unless he has a decent hand or big draw. He will let go.
But he did see me play with speculator hands (e.g. 5/6s and wongcouple times aggressively and he made comment about it.
So he knows I do not only play premium or strong hands.

When I was playing 1/3. If I encountered this type of LAG, I usually open my 3-bet and 4-bet range preflop wider.
Also, LAGs like this on 1/3 are usually bad, once you show them you will play back at them. They will slow down.
But on to this LAG, first the stake is bigger, bets and swings are bigger. I saw him one time bought in 8 times on the feeder table while I was playing on the main table. But cashed out $12k that night.


Comments

  • QuantumSurfer Posts: 112Subscriber
    WOW... you are running hot!

    I'm not sure what the buy ins are in your game, but someone opening 10x and isos up to 20x creates low SPR pots. It seems hard to have any plays other than value vs this guy. If I know I'll be 3b pre OOP so frequently by him, I'd tighten up & open mostly my UTG range if he's after me. I'd open my 4b value range some. I hate limp/reraising, but you could consider doing that with premiums against him. In position, just sit & collect. Knowing the average eff stack is kinda crucial. If your game is capped, you're gonna be stacking off frequently since the SPR is so low, so you want a solid pf range.
  • GrinddaddyGrinddaddy Posts: 31Subscriber
    I think you can increase thin value against these opponents and induce with small thin value bets with big hands. i never raise a guy i think is bluffing though unless i feel he will fold something he ive had success against bad lags like checking aa on a kq2 flop but as to what i stated at first usually emphasizing on simple basic strats reveals alot of leaks in peoples games let me know what you think i find this post interesting
  • tata123 Posts: 2Subscriber
    edited November 8
    QuantumSurfer said:
    WOW... you are running hot!
    Thank you. I usually try to double my buy in each session. If I couldn't during my first session, I will play another session during that week.
    QuantumSurfer said:
    I'm not sure what the buy ins are in your game,
    2/5 is min$300-max$1200
    5/10 is min$500-max$2500
    Because I play early and he comes in later in the evening, I usually have around 350-400bbs by then.
    Grinddaddy said:
    I think you can increase thin value against these opponents and induce with small thin value bets with big hands. i never raise a guy i think is bluffing though unless i feel he will fold something he ive had success against bad lags like checking aa on a kq2 flop but as to what i stated at first usually emphasizing on simple basic strats reveals alot of leaks in peoples games let me know what you think i find this post interesting
    That's basically what I was doing. But unless you have premium hands.
    How should I play with hands like 55-99, QJ, KQ, AJ? Fit and fold?
    His preflop raise is quite big though. If I could not lead the betting size, how to play with the stack when you have a big hand?
    Otherwise, it does not justify to call his big raise when you have these type of hands because you miss most of the time and he will cbet in an extremely high frequency.




  • maphacks Posts: 1,952Subscriber
    Just 3bet him to death. Hands like KQo seem to be the nuts. Don't shy away from variance
  • workinghard Posts: 1,496Subscriber
    you'll want to run value own lines against him when you make solid one pair+. check call him to death. If you're not prepared to check call large bets and sometimes loose, then don't play pots with him and table change.
  • Jwhoover Posts: 14Subscriber
    edited November 11
    I like the first reply and just go for value constantly. 4-5k is a sicko winrate so I don’t think I would change much to try and attack one player given that it could allow us to lose value to other players having to play multi way pots. If you are beating the game that much for 2 years I wouldn’t worry about one guy that is going to 1. Be tough to play against 2. Allow for higher variance situations. Given you play once or twice a week as well, if you were playing with him daily I would probably mix it up with him a lot more.

    As is I would just value own him and open up my calling pre if I wanted to play more pots with him. There is no simple equation to just beat a LAGtard, its super high variance. We have younger kids at my local casino that try to play what they think is “LAG” and they torch. I can give you a spot I had last week, and I think we probabaly have similar playing styles so hopefully you can relate.

    This LAG-ie player had been bombing for hours was stuck 3 buy ins, I shyed away from the variance for the night and decided to wait him out. I was up 1.5 buy ins and had a good stack and he was topping off. Our effective stacks were roughly 900 (1/3 game), I open AQo in the HJ to 35 off a $10 btn straddle villian posted,.

    He flats the btn, had he 3bet I would have flatted my entire range (maybe 4bet KK-AA)

    Flop Qd4h7d, I lead for 60 he calls.
    Turn is 9s

    I decide to check for pot control and for him to allow a bluff, typically guys like this cant check behind. Of course he does. As you hinted to, this guy also knows I am a good player, the guy next to him told him I was the best player there, talking me up etc, (which I hate) but may help in certain scenerios when guys know/think you are good and their ego wants to outplay you for self satisfaction reasons.

    Turn unexpectadly goes check/check which tells me he respects my game and must have some sort of sshowdown value or equity, but I know he will bet any river card especially scare cards that make straights flushes. Luckily river is As, so our decision isn’t difficult but I know he is betting if checked to.

    River As
    Hero checks
    Villian bets 100
    Hero raises to 270

    I believe you always want to give these guys rope, my river raise gives him just enough room to hang himself. you may get in a few tougher spots, but thats what you do when you play against these players and want to win. They make you make tough calls (not saying this was a tough call).

    Villian jams Hero calls

    Villian shows the 86o.

    Sorry for the long post, but feel like an example makes it easier to understand and can give some credibility to the post. vs these guys I think if you are killing the game as you said you continue your game and go for heavy value vs him, check raise the shit out of him and get tricky trappy, it could likely allow you to start bluffing him later or slow him down. Usually when you play back at these guys a couple times they wont fight you too hard.
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