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Restoring a Good Image

Luvyoulongtime Posts: 2Member
edited November -1 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
What do you do to restore a good, winning table image after your image takes a nose dive?

I have struggled with this recently at the $5 blind level tables and am looking for new ideas to quickly restore my image. If I understand Bart's reasoning about how a bad image affects how others play you, then tightening up PF, vbetting thinner, and bluffing less often all make sense to me. However, these strategies require me to actually pick up hands, or hit flops, to work. It seems (maybe just in my head) that I get hit with stretches of dead cards/flops after my image gets destroyed, and I feel like I'm missing opportunities to restore it.

Some other things that I've done include waiting a couple orbits to reload my stack, essentially waiting for people to forget (or more likely remember less clearly) my bad image, with the thoughts that playing a shorter stack will allow me to make fewer mistakes, especially if I don't realize that I'm on tilt. Or perhaps waiting until some players have left or moved tables (in a must move game), or moving myself to the next table to reload, and also open up my game. Sometimes I also target players that have just moved to the table that did not witness my recent history, and view me with a clean image, for profitable spots.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that restoring a good image requires winning pots, small or large. If this is the case, and players give me less credit when I'm in a hand with them, isn't it logical that I will get to showdown more often w them? And thus, want to be showing down the best hand? If so, does anyone ever take off a street of vbetting to do this, going for 2 sts of value rather than 3 for example. (This would seem counter-intuitive to the strategy of vbetting thinner.) Or what about over-limping wider in late position (if it's a passive table that allows it) to see more flops and try to win more pots with or without showdown? (Again, this contradicts the strategy of tightening up PF.)

Maybe it's just me but since I play a must-move game, and wait lists are long, I don't really have the option to switch tables. And taking a break or cutting my session short because of my image just doesn't appeal to me.

What am I missing here? What are your top 3 things you do to restore your image?

Comments

  • DavidChan Posts: 1,208Pro
    Table change is probably the most effective way to reboot a bad losing image.
  • SupremeNinja Posts: 137Subscriber
    I think it's extremely difficult to 'restore' your image. You can't force winning hands because nobody gives you respect... so just as you stated, you need to pick up hands.

    The problem here is that even IF you win a few small pots and a big pot... you're still not going to get respect. Whatever you did to get that 'bad image' initially, will remain in the mind of the villains. When you win that big pot, they'll just think, "oh the donkey just got lucky and picked up a pot, awesome!".

    So as David stated, table change is probably the best play... I unfortunately don't do this enough, and play it out =/
  • SatanLovesPoker Posts: 168Member
    I typically pull out a $100 bill, tear it up in front of the whole table, and tell them "money means nothing
    to me, so if you want it, come and get it!"

    Or I just get up for a walk, and take a few laps around the casino to mentally re-focus and calm down,
    then just play snug.
  • SupremeNinja Posts: 137Subscriber
    SatanLovesPoker said

    I typically pull out a $100 bill, tear it up in front of the whole table, and tell them "money means nothing
    to me, so if you want it, come and get it!"

    and then pull out a knot of cash, stare at the guy that beat you, and say 'i'll play you heads up right now for $20,000. I have money. you don't know me."
  • SatanLovesPoker Posts: 168Member
    SupremeNinja said
    SatanLovesPoker said

    I typically pull out a $100 bill, tear it up in front of the whole table, and tell them "money means nothing
    to me, so if you want it, come and get it!"

    and then pull out a knot of cash, stare at the guy that beat you, and say 'i'll play you heads up right now for $20,000. I have money. you don't know me."
    Love it!!
  • Medic2038 Posts: 27Subscriber
    SupremeNinja said

    I think it's extremely difficult to 'restore' your image. You can't force winning hands because nobody gives you respect... so just as you stated, you need to pick up hands.

    The problem here is that even IF you win a few small pots and a big pot... you're still not going to get respect. Whatever you did to get that 'bad image' initially, will remain in the mind of the villains. When you win that big pot, they'll just think, "oh the donkey just got lucky and picked up a pot, awesome!".

    So as David stated, table change is probably the best play... I unfortunately don't do this enough, and play it out =/
    Yeah I think it's much harder to restore a bad image, then tank a good one.

    However one of the things that's actually not often talked about is that image is somewhat irrelevant to many random players. To most level 0 randoms your image means absolutely nothing (and that's the vast majority of what I have in my games). I only take my own imagine into consideration when I'm playing against those that are aware enough to notice.
  • AcquittalAcquittal Posts: 179Member
    I struggle with this concept of good image versus bad image. If by "bad" image you mean that your bets are less likely to get respect, then you also should be more likely to get paid off when you have a hand. As you point out, you should be able to value-bet thinner (since you'll be called down lighter) and you should be able to make quite a bit more from your big hands. You'll win fewer small pots, because your continuation bets will get less respect. But you should win more big pots, because your made hands will also get less respect.

    Where I could see a bad image causing problems would be if players were more likely to show aggression against you. I haven't encountered this at the lower levels when my image is bad -- I just get called down more frequently. But if players are playing back at you with aggression, that essentially means that they're playing better poker against you, since players at these levels could benefit from more aggression as a general matter.
  • JCW Posts: 591Subscriber
    A third of the table believes that it isn't image but an unlucky seat. You should "believe" that too. You are in an unlucky seat. Switch seats and to many your image is restored. If you lose there then it is just you. Wait it out or switch tables.
  • ThatOtherJeremy Posts: 314Member
    Just go play blackjack. That ALWAYS works. ALWAYS
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