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How would one announce the low in each of these hands?

BartBart Posts: 5,972AdministratorLeadPro
From the video I did for CLO8 that comes out today I analyzed the following spot..

How should we "announce" the low part of each of the following hands..

And then rank them by best to worst..

BOARD: 3 7 5 4 2

Sally: 9 8 7 4

Dave: 6 5 3 2

Shane: A Q 7 6

FakeHand1: K K 8 6

FakeHand2: A A 8 K

FakeHand3 : A J J 7

I have been try to teach you guys that the proper way to announce your hands in O8 is the way your cards interact with the board NOT the top down like in Razz. This is because O8 is a community card game.
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  • BartBart Posts: 5,972AdministratorLeadPro
    props to @chilidog for getting this 99% right.. but I have deleted his posts because I want some others to give it a shot.
  • chilidog Posts: 2,427Subscriber
    More like 101% right
    :)
  • PortlyIguana Posts: 3Subscriber
    edited January 18
    Spoiler:
    Sally: Board low (75)
    Dave: Live 6 (65)
    Shane: 64 low (second nuts)
    FH1: 86 Low
    FH2: 84 Low
    FH3: 74 Low

    Shane, Dave, FH3, Sally, FH2, FH1
  • BartBart Posts: 5,972AdministratorLeadPro
    edited January 18
    PortlyIguana said:
    Sally: Board low (75)
    Dave: Live 6 (65)
    Shane: 64 low (second nuts)
    FH1: 86 Low
    FH2: 84 Low
    FH3: 74 Low

    Shane, Dave, FH3, Sally, FH2, FH1
    I am looking for the way the players would correctly announce their hands.
  • PortlyIguana Posts: 3Subscriber
    Bart said:

    I am looking for the way the players would correctly announce their hands.
    To announce the part of the hand that was playing, I'd probably say:
    Spoiler:
    "Board Low", "live 6", "6 Ace", "8 6", "8 Ace", "7 Ace"


    I'd probably use my previous answer if the players were confused as to which was best.

  • BartBart Posts: 5,972AdministratorLeadPro
    PortlyIguana said:
    Bart said:

    I am looking for the way the players would correctly announce their hands.
    To announce the part of the hand that was playing, I'd probably say:
    Spoiler:
    "Board Low", "live 6", "6 Ace", "8 6", "8 Ace", "7 Ace"


    I'd probably use my previous answer if the players were confused as to which was best.

    2/6 are correct.. in that verbiage.
  • jarrett Posts: 5Subscriber
    Pretty sure these are all wrong but...

    Spoiler:

    Sally: 27 low live 4
    Dave: 27 low
    Shane: A6 low
    FH1: 68 low
    FH2: A8 low
    FH3: A7 low
  • BartBart Posts: 5,972AdministratorLeadPro
    jarrett said:
    Pretty sure these are all wrong but...

    Spoiler:

    Sally: 27 low live 4
    Dave: 27 low
    Shane: A6 low
    FH1: 68 low
    FH2: A8 low
    FH3: A7 low
    3/6
  • jarrett Posts: 5Subscriber
    Getting better!
  • workinghard Posts: 1,573Subscriber
    Shane 6A low
    Dave live 6
    Fake hand 3, 7A low
    Sally play the board
    Fake hand 2, 8A low
    Fake hand 1, 86 low
  • BartBart Posts: 5,972AdministratorLeadPro
    workinghard said:
    Shane 6A low
    Dave live 6
    Fake hand 3, 7A low
    Sally play the board
    Fake hand 2, 8A low
    Fake hand 1, 86 low
    Let me give you a hint everyone. Have you ever heard someone say “6 ace low”?
  • workinghard Posts: 1,573Subscriber
    Bart said:
    workinghard said:
    Shane 6A low
    Dave live 6
    Fake hand 3, 7A low
    Sally play the board
    Fake hand 2, 8A low
    Fake hand 1, 86 low
    Let me give you a hint everyone. Have you ever heard someone say “6 ace low”?
    I suppose most people reversed it. Say "Ace 6 low". In my mind, it makes more sense to think of it stating the high card first since that's more the "key" card. The lower card is kind of like a tie breaker if needed. That's just how i think of it.
  • workinghard Posts: 1,573Subscriber
    Bart said:
    workinghard said:
    Shane 6A low
    Dave live 6
    Fake hand 3, 7A low
    Sally play the board
    Fake hand 2, 8A low
    Fake hand 1, 86 low
    Let me give you a hint everyone. Have you ever heard someone say “6 ace low”?
    So, the answer to your question is "yes, and now you have too."
  • Beatsme Posts: 587Subscriber
    Spoiler:

    Sally: plays the board... I would say 74 low
    Dave: straight 6... 7 high straight
    Shane: A6 lo
    Fake 1: straight 8
    Fake 2: A8 lo
    Fake 3: live A

    Shane has best lo > dave > Fake 3 > sally > fake 2 >fake1

  • BartBart Posts: 5,972AdministratorLeadPro
    THe order from best hand to worst hand is

    Shane (A6) 234 -- This is the second nut low (behind a wheel) and universally would be called "Ace-6 low", not 6-Ace low"

    Dave (6) 2345 This is the third nut low and universally would be called a "live 6"

    FH3 (A7) 234 This one is probably the trickiest. Some would think that this is a "live ace", but thats debatable as a live ace with a wheel card would be a wheel. This would only come up in this exact scenario (5 low cards with player hand having NOT one of the 4 lowest cars in his hand). Would be called "Ace - seven" low.

    Sally (74) 235 This is the definition of "playing the board for low" as the five cards she has as a low are actually on the board.

    FH2 (A8) 234. This would be called an "ace-eight" low.

    FH1 (86) 234 this would be a "six-eight" low.


    The point of this exercise is to show you that the proper way to call out your O8 hand is to use the cards that are unique in your hand to the board from the low to the high. So on 756KK and you have A4, you have an "ace-four" low. with 23 you have a "deuce - three" low. If you have one unique card in your hand that plays on a board that has 4 or more low cards you have a "live low". So if I hold A2KK on a 8562Q board, I have a "live ace".

    So let's take a look at some ace high boards with proper terminology.

    Rank them and tell me the proper terminology.

    BOARD is : A 6 7 4 K

    Player A -- 5566

    Player B -- A38K

    Player C -- A35K

    Player D -- KK23

    Player E -- AA8K

    Player F -- 85KQ
  • eyehaityou Posts: 292Member
    edited January 18
    Live 5.
    Live 3
    35
    NL
    Live 8
    58
  • BartBart Posts: 5,972AdministratorLeadPro
    eyehaityou said:
    Live 5.
    Live 3
    35
    NL
    Live 8
    58
    Pretty good
  • DoubleSuitedAce Posts: 17Subscriber
    edited January 19
    Nice exercise. Would definitely be a good thread to review from time to time. It will definitely help me be more consistent in how I call my lows. I had a couple of other thoughts from the video:

    On the last hand where you compared Sally’s low to FH1 KK86, I think it is interesting to note that on the turn, FH1 can not improve from a 6-8 low, while Sally can draw to a better low. As the hand played out, with the river 2, Sally’s low improved from a live 8 to playing the board for low (4-7).

    Also, I found it interesting that Dave O. led out on the river with 2nd nut high and 3rd nut low, followed by Shane just calling with 2nd/2nd. Perhaps comparing and contrasting how players play when they have 2nd/2nd would make for an interesting video, maybe even comparing the differences in playing 2nd/2nd in FLO8 vs PLO8.
  • eyehaityou Posts: 292Member
    How would you explain to a novice dealer how to split the pot on an A3457(irrelevant suits) board with two players:

    Player one has A3K9 and the other 3458
    (true story)
  • PortlyIguana Posts: 3Subscriber
    eyehaityou said:
    How would you explain to a novice dealer how to split the pot on an A3457(irrelevant suits) board with two players:

    Player one has A3K9 and the other 3458
    (true story)
    "Player 1 gets the high with Aces and Threes, and they split the low playing the board."
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