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steelwheel13 Posts: 8Subscriber
I'm going to be in LA for a week or so in a couple of months time, and want to check out the PLO action while I'm out there. I'm looking mainly for 1/2 1/3 kinda stakes, possibly 5/5 depending how big it plays.

From the other LA scene threads on here and Poker Atlas it seems the options are these:

Commerce: 5/5/10 - a little big for me, or 1/2 w/ $5 bring in (shallow, but that's fine)

Hustler: 5/5 $500-2k - again looks pretty big!

Hollywood Park: 1/3 half and half, I'm useless at O8 so kinda rules that out

Hawaiian gardens: 1/3 - looks good!


Is this a pretty accurate picture of PLO action in LA? Or does anyone have any recommendations?

Thanks in advance.

Comments

  • BartBart Posts: 5,683AdministratorLeadPro
    Yes. I am not sure if the $100-$400 game at Commerce is just 1/2 or if its 1/2 $5 bring in (which is deceptively large). Thats what it is at HP, but HP is half PLO8..I'm also not sure how often the HG or Hustler game goes..
  • z7 Posts: 225Subscriber
    Seems like you gotta learn plo8. The HP game is the only stable game on the weekdays that’s small. Commerce 1/2/5 starts randomly and breaks randomly during the weekdays. Friday-Sunday you can book it at commerce. Monday-Thursday HP.

    Hawaiian gardens I don’t think goes. Very rare. Hustler game too big as well.
  • chilidog Posts: 2,427Subscriber
    Yes the small game at commerce is a $5 bring in so it plays pretty shallow.

    There were 3 games of the 5/5/10 last night and probably throughout lapc. Many people do min buy that game.

    Agree with z7 that you should give the mix game at HP a shot. Play tight in o8 rounds.
  • steelwheel13 Posts: 8Subscriber
    Thanks for the replies everyone. I do have the cash to buy into the 2/5 games, but PLO here tends to play with 6 (or 5) hole cards most of the time, so I play mainly online meaning my live PLO experience is pretty limited. I prefer being over-rolled for whatever games I play in as a general rule, PLO especially.

    I'm not sure what days I'll be playing, most likely it'll be a mix of weekend and weekday.

    Might be a dumb question, but does the HP O8 round play PL or FL?

  • DoubleSuitedAce Posts: 12Subscriber
    The Hollywood Park PLO mix game plays 8 hands of PLO-Hi, then switches to 8 hands of PLO8. The dealer tracks the hands using lammers and when switching the game, flips over the dealer button. One side of the button is red and has the word "Hi", the other side is yellow and has the words "Hi-Lo". There is no fixed limit in this game. The blinds are $2/$3 with a $5 bring-in and a max raise of $15 assuming the pot hasn't been opened. The initial buy-in is $100-$400, and if you go broke on your first buy-in, you can rebuy up to $600. Friday and Saturday nights there is almost always one table going, and usually there is a second must-move table. The game plays up in the top section, which means if you have a players card, you can get a discount (I believe it's $7-$8) off most items on the full menu and they usually have about a dozen menu selections which are complementary, not including tip of course.

    On that note, I was there this evening and saw something at the table I have never seen before. One of the bad regs was losing in the game and had enjoyed more than a couple of beverages during the evening. He had just lost another pot and was down to like $40-$50 in chips. He decides to rebuy, says he has $200 more behind, and proceeds to pull out his debit card. He gets dealt into a hand and gets into action with another player who has him covered. He then borrows $200 in chips from another reg next to him, wins the hand, and gives back the $200 in chips that he borrowed from the reg. I was stunned and didn't really know what to say. After the hand, he quickly went to the ATM, and got out $200 which he used to buy chips to add to his stack. A few hands later, he gets into it again with the same player he beat last time, but this time the other player busts him (karma if you ask me). He then says he is $400 behind for the next hand and again proceeds to pull out his debit card. There had just been a dealer change and the new dealer proceeds to give him $100 in chips from the tray while waiting for him to produce the cash. The bad reg doesn't immediately produce any money, and starts saying "don't worry, I'm good for it".

    By this time, I'm feeling really uncomfortable about potentially getting into a hand with him if he doesn't have any chips behind but keeps getting dealt in as I am ahead for the evening and have him covered. I have no desire at all to play for IOUs at the casino. Thus, as the big blind rotates back to me, I rack up and cash out. Before I left, I approached one of the floors that usually works the main room but had been helping out some in the top section. Luckily, she had stepped back into the main room at this point so I spoke to her there as I didn't want to make a scene in the top section. I let her know what had happened and she told me she appreciated me telling her and that she would discuss this with the floor working the top section.
  • BartBart Posts: 5,683AdministratorLeadPro
    edited February 3
    Yeah these spots are always awkward when someone claims that they are playing behind. If you don't want to play with the guy or trust him ( I get the most uncomfortable when someone tries to play behind and I dont know them) I would just sit out until he produces cash or leaves if you yourself dont want to leave the game.
    DoubleSuitedAce said:
    Before I left, I approached one of the floors that usually works the main room but had been helping out some in the top section. Luckily, she had stepped back into the main room at this point so I spoke to her there as I didn't want to make a scene in the top section. I let her know what had happened and she told me she appreciated me telling her and that she would discuss this with the floor working the top section.

    I dont think there is a chance in hell that that floor lady did anything. Even though I like HP and the private room for the higher stakes games their floor people are the MOST clueless of any casino. What incentive would she have to have that conversation with another floor man? She can do nothing and literally nothing will happen. Or she can attempt to be proactive and act in concern for the health of the game but that would involve her leaving the area she is covering trying to accurately explain the situation to another floorman that has little ideas as to what is going on etc etc.

    There is a culture of non-proactivity that flows from the top down at these casinos.
  • DoubleSuitedAce Posts: 12Subscriber
    That's a good idea about just choosing to sit out in that situation. I'll have to remember that if it happens again. Even though I ended up not playing any hands while the episode was happening, I definitely felt uncomfortable in the moment.

    Just to circle back to the original post, I do want to reiterate that it is a good game. The player pool has a good mix of average regs and gamboolers. However, because it is a mix game you should feel comfortable playing PLO8. Sure, you could play super tight in the PLO8 rounds, but the game could get boring if you fold out during the PLO8 rounds and go card dead in the PLO-Hi rounds. Every now and then the bigger game goes, which is a $5/$5 blind game with a $400-$1,000 buy-in and is PLO-Hi only, no PLO8. But as far as I know, the game is not spread on a regular basis. And I can't speak for the PLO games at the other LA casinos as I have only played the PLO games at Hollywood Park.
  • DoubleSuitedAce Posts: 12Subscriber
    Quick update on the Hollywood Park $5/$5 PLO-Hi only game. This game has changed from a $400-$1,000 buy-in to a $500-$1,500 buy-in. This game went this evening (Friday) with a full 9-handed table. I talked to the PLO host and he told me his short-term goal is for this game to go every Wednesday night, Friday night, and Saturday night. I stick with the lower buy-in PLO Mix game, but it is good to see that the overall health of the PLO games at Hollywood Park is solid.
  • steelwheel13 Posts: 8Subscriber
    So after the responses on here, and hearing Terp talk about the general softness of mixed/round-of-each type games on a couple of podcasts, I decided to do some study on PLO8.

    I bought Dan Deppen's book PLO8 revealed, have been watching some of Bart's O8 videos and putting some hands in online. It's pretty fun learning a new game for what is the first time in years now.

    How big does the HP mixed game end up playing? Is it feasible to buy in shorter, while still getting grips with the O8 side of things?
  • BartBart Posts: 5,683AdministratorLeadPro
    steelwheel13 said:
    So after the responses on here, and hearing Terp talk about the general softness of mixed/round-of-each type games on a couple of podcasts, I decided to do some study on PLO8.

    I bought Dan Deppen's book PLO8 revealed, have been watching some of Bart's O8 videos and putting some hands in online. It's pretty fun learning a new game for what is the first time in years now.

    How big does the HP mixed game end up playing? Is it feasible to buy in shorter, while still getting grips with the O8 side of things?
    They are so bad in the PLO8 rounds, I wouldnt buy in short. Learn the good starting hands and the power of position to bet someone off of one side of the pot. You will be fine. Bart
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