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Tough Flop Spot w/ QQ

JredA Posts: 58Subscriber
edited March 4 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
Local Casino $2/5 Game. Max $500 buy in.

I am UTG w/ Q Q
With a stack of $1400
My image to those involved is probably on the lag side.

I open for $20.

LJ calls.

This player is a pro who I have played with a few times. From what I have seen he seems to play a balanced game and I have yet to find any big frequency discrepancies. He had just sat down within the orbit and has a starting stack of $500 after topping off last hand.

BTN makes it $100.

This villain is mainly a tournament player and I have played with him a few times in tournaments, but never a cash game. He plays a pretty tight/straight forward game. He bought in for $400. Went broke, then re-bought for $400 before getting it in pre with AA vs QQ and holding to double up to $800 which is where he sits in this hand. He has played passively pre flop so far and this is his second sign of aggression (the AA hand being the first) in the night. I weighted this raise heavily weighted towards his value hands.

I hate to 4-bet get it in here against the BTN strong range as he prob only calls with QQ+ and AK and with this player's perceived tightness he might flat AK here some percentage of the time. I also hate to 4-bet fold as he probably has AK enough to make folding an error if I 4-bet.

I don't love any of my options. 4-bet fold, 4-bet get-in-in, fold, or call.

I ended up going with the call for reasons mentioned above. LJ calls fairly quickly as well. With his quick call I confidently ruled out AA and KK and I also think he 3-bets AK a large percentage of the time pre.

Flop ($300) = 8 9 T

I ch.

LJ tanks for a bit and leads for $230 leaving himself only $170 behind.

BTN tanks for a while and eventually folds.

Action is on me and I am in a nasty spot. I definitely think villain is capable of bluffing here and the fact that I do not have the Q in my hands adds a few more combos of bluffs to his range.

Hands like K Q and A Q come to mind. I think he 3-bets A K a large percentage of the time so not sure if thats in his range very often. A J, 7 8, A 8 also come to mind as possible bluffs. JJ could also be a possibility.

Villain also has all the sets, straights and perhaps a few 2-pair combo's in his range for value as well.

Is this a call, jam or fold?
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  • rhutch06 Posts: 10Member
    Looks like he’s betting to commit himself to calling off a bet rather than xj where you’re committed to calling it off with hands that you’re ahead off or flipping v in case you check back and deny him a bunch of equity.
  • FloydB Posts: 12Subscriber
    I think just get it in on the flop.
  • deadinaditchdeadinaditch Posts: 208Subscriber
    ~$530 in the pot and $170 behind? Folding is out of the question for both of you, but I think you know that. So why drag it out, Just be polite and get it in now.
  • CycleV Posts: 967Subscriber
    You think a pro called 20% of his stack pre vs an utg open and then a 3! with A8s or 87s? No way. He is weighted towards 88-JJ...which again, if he is a pro he shouldn't have since he shouldn't even be in this spot. But he is, so here we are.

    I agree AKs is in his 3! range. But mid PP fit the call/call again line, and I'm dumping this hand as played. But I do want to add that you might need to rethink your take on him, as his line pre was terrible.
  • JredA Posts: 58Subscriber
    edited March 5
    CycleV said:

    But I do want to add that you might need to rethink your take on him, as his line pre was terrible.
    Appreciate the feedback.

    I guess the term "pro" can be misleading in a way. At the casino I play there are several regs who are "pro's" meaning poker is their main source of income (according to them or people that know them). Now if they play like a "pro" is up for debate.

    Labeling players has always been difficult for me and is something I am trying to work on. Any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated.
  • CycleV Posts: 967Subscriber
    JredA said:
    CycleV said:

    But I do want to add that you might need to rethink your take on him, as his line pre was terrible.
    Appreciate the feedback.

    I guess the term "pro" can be misleading in a way. At the casino I play there are several regs who are "pro's" meaning poker is their main source of income (according to them or people that know them). Now if they play like a "pro" is up for debate.

    Labeling players has always been difficult for me and is something I am trying to work on. Any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated.
    There's quite a few guys like this n my casino as well, at all levels. PLO, 2/5, even 1/3. Each of them has their own level of gamble, so labelling them becomes about getting specific with each one, less about general characterizations. It's just that this guy had nowhere near the right odds to call with anything, except AK I guess. Though as we agree, he should 3! with that a lot, even if he perceives you as a nit who opened utg.
  • callmebkcallmebk Posts: 20Subscriber
    I agree with Cycle V though closing the 3! Action he can be weighted toward A Q and K Q as well. I've also played with this villain and I'm not sure he calls with 88 or possibly even 99 with his stack size. Maybe CycleV is right and we're giving him too much credit ;)
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