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$2/$5 Turning Trips & Facing Over-bet Jam

JredA Posts: 52Subscriber
edited March 25 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
$2/$5 game w/ optional $10 ultimate last action BTN Straddle

$10 BTN straddle is on.

A clear recreational player opens in MP to $35 off a $2200 stack.

I was chatty with this player and came to learn he rarely plays and he was just here to have some fun on a Saturday night. A few of his plays early on confirmed this. He limp/called a 3b from OOP with K9o and check called 3 streets on a K 2 T 7 4 runout, villain had AK.

He was limping his weak range and raising his strong range. If he connected he was sticking around for at least 2 streets. After re-buying he connected with a few flops and ran his stack up to his current amount.

I call in the CO with J 9 and a $1800 stack.

BTN calls.

Flop ($105) = A J T

MP bets $100. I call. BTN folds.

Turn ($305) = J

MP does not think at all and say's "all in". It was literally a snap jam, like the jam was premeditated. No thought what so ever.

I am the effective stack which ends up making the shove of $1665 into a pot of $305.

I was taken back a bit in game, I don't face 5.5x pot over-bet turn jams too often :lol:
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  • ds2uared Posts: 212Subscriber
    Such a shitty spot. But you have too much equity. I really don't think this is losing or winning long term. If he's a rec., he's got AA, AJ, KJ, QJ, TJ, 9J, and maybe 8J, KQ, a couple K and Q high flush draws. But I can't fold this versus a player like this. Even if he has every J down to J8, KQ, AA, JJ, and TT, you've still got ~43% equity.
  • Maximilian65 Posts: 34Subscriber
    edited March 25
    Your call preflop is more than fine, I'm not putting him on as wide a range preflop as the comment above after you said he limps weaker holdings and opens stronger holdings. I'm going to say preflop he's raising 1010+, KQ suited, A10+ suited AK & AQ off... maybe some other weaker suited broadways. @Bart mentions that when the button straddle is on, people tend to play even tighter preflop and I agree, especially at $2/5.

    This jam is super weird, it's such a gross overplay regardless of what he has, even if he had KQdd... WTF is he accomplishing by doing this, I'm sure he doesn't know.

    It looks like the dude is 'afraid' of a flush draw or similar draws and is jamming for protection with a hand like AK w/king of diamonds or a flopped straight with no diamond re-draw. This is my gut instinct. I just can't see him doing this if he boated up on turn.

    I think I'm tank calling here with the expectation that I will see him open KQ suited at showdown. Pot is $1965 and $1665 to call, and you're well over 33% vs all KQ except the diamonds.
  • BartBart Posts: 5,820AdministratorLeadPro
    On a side note here, given the pot odds you need like 46% equity. This is a huge overbet and you are only getting like 1.18-1 in pot odds. I doubt that this is AK here, unless they guy is horrifically bad. More likely to be KQ. I can maybe find a tough fold here. he also could have a hand like TT which you are drawing slim against. Bart
  • workinghard Posts: 1,561Subscriber
    I don't think I'm folding this. If the board was rainbow then yah since he isn't protecting vs flush draws. But this board is so connected I could see him having enough AK hands that you're ok to call
  • JredA Posts: 52Subscriber
    edited March 26
    Thanks guys for the feedback.

    This was such a weird spot. I have been in a horrible downswing lately - the worst of my short live playing career - and spots like these seem to be happening more than normal. I think most of it is mental and I am noticing them more due to the downswing, but I want to make sure I am making the right plays and not putting myself in these positions (especially pre-flop) as I battle my way through it.

    I tanked for quite some time and...

    Spoiler:
    ended up making the call.

    I just could not understand why he would jam a hand as strong as TT, AA or AJ here. It made little sense to me how he instantly jammed the turn. It was like a panic move. I was thinking that with a hand as strong as those he would think for a least a few seconds a decent percentage of the time. I understand that bad players make some unpredictable plays, but I just did not get it.

    When I started to think about what villain could be doing this w/ that I beat, a hand like AK started to make some sense and perhaps nerves just got the best of him in a growing pot.

    As Bart points out, I am getting like 1.18 to 1 on a call and I need 46% equity.

    If I give villain all of the hands that beat me (TT, AA, AJo, AJs, KQo and KQs) and all of the combos of AK I am getting 48%. I obviously did not know these exact percentages in game, but I thought if villain does this with AK the odds were so close. His demeanor and behavior seemed so uncomfortable it pushed me to a call.

    Anyway, villain rolled over AQo!

    Unfortunately, a K hit the river and gave him the straight.

    I think long-term and against most opponents, this is a fold. But if a player is playing this poorly and doing this with AK and AQ its a clear call as my equity shoots up to almost 59%. I am just not sure if this is a bad call in the specific moment or a product of running poorly, or perhaps a little of both :cry:
  • fishcake Posts: 935Subscriber
    I don’t think this is a fold. Someone is really jamming a boat here? And even if we give him TT but add a few AK or AQ this is a snap call. I’m not driving to the casino to fold trips and a flush draw. 165bb whatever.
  • PotLuckNeeded Posts: 54Subscriber
    fishcake said:
    I don’t think this is a fold. Someone is really jamming a boat here? And even if we give him TT but add a few AK or AQ this is a snap call. I’m not driving to the casino to fold trips and a flush draw. 165bb whatever.
    Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Sure, I might puke a little but who is pushing a boat here? That's some next level inception here (he thinks, that I think that he thinks) which is obviously not happening with the rec. I can definitely see a fold, but I'm calling.
  • ds2uared Posts: 212Subscriber
    edited March 28
    Bart said:
    On a side note here, given the pot odds you need like 46% equity. This is a huge overbet and you are only getting like 1.18-1 in pot odds. I doubt that this is AK here, unless they guy is horrifically bad. Bart
    When I see this, I definitely up my "they're-spazzing,-I-can't-fold-factor" a couple percentage points, at least. Generally speaking, for such a ridiculous overbet, do you think that would sway your decision in lower stakes games in a situation like this, @Bart?
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