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Do you think players might just have an ability for NL or Limit?

ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,086Subscriber
I have been pondering this for a little while. I dont like making big bets. I do them in NL when I have to but I never liked to. I get nervous and when running bad It upsets me .

Do you guys think there is any validity to maybe I just might be better in limit games? I dont seem to have a problem betting and raising when its a fixed bet and I have been enjoying the EO game at the bike like no other time in my poker life. Maybe I just dont have that inate big bet "stuff"?

I would related it to Davids thread on playing tennis. I was a really good swimmer in high school and won lots of races but I was the long distance person. The longer the race the better I did. We had this one workout my couch used to make us do every once in a while where we would swim

500 yards

and when you were done you were finished with that session. I was ALWAYS the second person out of the pool.. Ahead of all the guys except the long distance guy specialist.. ahead of all the sprinters you would cream me in the 100 yard swims etc.. I had a talent for long distances. My muscle structure is called "slow twitch" witch means I cant move them very fast.. but I am very very efficient and dont build up latic acid like others do.

So maybe just maybe this also applies to games in poker? maybe I should just focus my energies on being the best fucking EO player in the world (ok maybe LA) and stop hitting my head against the wall in Pot limit and NL games that I might have a built in dissadvantage?

curious what y'all think? wink



  • Johnny_UtahJohnny_Utah Posts: 402Subscriber
    Hey Hammah-

    I'll throw in my 2 cents! For me, it is sort of opposite. I don't like the feeling of being restricted in how much pressure I can apply to opponents. And for me mentally, it puts me in a bad and unfocused mindset. If the result of big bets causes you to get nervous and upset, then it's probably taking your mind away from the important things too much.

    I have a family member that loves watching no limit, but he never plays. He just enjoys limit (O8 or Hold em). He likes knowing he isn't going to go bust on any given hand. Your obviously LOVING the limit games, and judging by your post......stick with it.
  • NicholasK Posts: 237Member
    Play what you're comfortable and good at, but be wary of saying you've got the wrong set of mental "muscles" for big bet games. Eventually you'll get bored from the same game, same spots over and over again...or the weak player pool will switch to the latest poker craze game. Don't limit your future by defining your game too much. The greatest all time players have switched from game to game in order to maximize profitability. How many of the stud specialists who didn't switch to holdem faded to unprofitably and obscurity?
  • SatanLovesPoker Posts: 168Member
    I don't think it is so much an ability as a person's mindset. At first, I figured people that got really bothered by losing,
    were playing with scared money or something, and the loss of money affected their lifestyle. I have seen
    people who are wealthy spazz, out over losing $200-$300 in a hand and go on massive monkey tilt, which
    confused me alot, since that amount of money was insignifcant to them. I attribute it to just mental blocks
    or something. I know a reg I used to play $1/2 with was a wealthy farmer, and even owned a cattle ranch
    in Costa Rica, he would literally buy in for $50 in a $200 cap game because he was so afraid he would get bluffed,
    and felt losing $50 was more tolerable then $200.

    Myself, when I realized I felt just as crappy losing $200 as $1500, I decided there was no reason not to play
    in the juicer $2/5 game then the $1/2 since I had the bankroll, and felt the same no matter the money loss.

    I know alot about the fast twitch muscle, since I ran competitive track all thru college, I should have been
    a distance runner, but I liked sprinting more, and I think just like you can enhance your fast twitch muscle,
    you can train your brain to not fear the big bet losses.

    But again, that's my 2 cents. I like no limit, because I love the adrenaline rush of playing in those big pots,
    and like to win lots of $$$. I know you like to play for strategy and to out think people, which is great, and
    the mixed games let you do that. BUT, you should not give up NL for fear, you should give it up because
    you just don't like it.
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,086Subscriber

    I actually like NL tournies and I get to pratice all the things you talk about without the issue of the big bets . I find I am way more aggressive in tournies. Maybe I can get my fast twitch muscles better but in cash I really do enjoy the EO games..

  • LeoSong Posts: 5Member
    Everyone has their game. I find a lot of the time, the reason people stray away from No Limit is because of bankroll issues. If you had 8k, playing 1-2 NL is okay even if you go on a bad streak. The other reason I find people ditch NL is not sure as to how to play. Limit is an excellent game to improve hand reading skills and I think to do really well at NL, hand reading as well as situation reading are just as valuable than the cards you're playing - though value is the name of 1-2.

    A couple days ago I put $200 into a pot of $250 with Ace high and chopped.

    Chances are you are better at limit because you are comfortable at it. I can play PLO but I don't want to play cause' I'm just not as experienced as the other players as well as I don't have a padded enough bankroll for the swings.

    I don't think you're disadvantage is built-in so much as underdeveloped. Ju can do etttt.
  • AesahAesah Posts: 1,048Pro
    Thehammah said
    I dont like making big bets... I get nervous
    is this related to bankroll issues? like if you were playing $.01/.02 at someone's house with friends and made a huge shove for 200bb ($4) would it make you nervous?
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,086Subscriber
    Nope.. I am not sure its really bankroll per se.. but that the actual amounts are big I get nervous.. I guess if I had say $100k in my safe at home I wouldnt care but I dont keep my poker money that way.

    another thought would be this. Say I love absolutely love the 20/40 game at the bike. And I can beat the game for about 1bb per hour. Thats a $40/hr win rate.. I can rebuild my "bankroll" and just keep it in my safe rather than putting it in the bank .. then after say a year and my safe is full of cash then I can play NL and it wont make me so nervous cuz I have tons still at home.

    That is my basic plan for the foreseeable future.. I mean I really like the 20/40 OE game and I can make a good amount at it.. why not use it to build a cash reserve?

  • JCW Posts: 591Subscriber
    Just to make up some numbers here, but if you can make $40/hr playing limit and make $20/hr an hour playing NL you would be nuts to play NL. Just don't get yourself in a mindset of "I can't". Jump into good NL games when they are good and the limit games are bad. Growing in one helps in the others.

    Mike Caro had an story he would tell of a man who finds a Poker Genie in a lamp. The Genie offers him the following choice of a wish. Either he can make him win 50k more this year though great bets or lose 50k less though great folds.

    Your question reminds me of the man and the Genie...
  • JCW Posts: 591Subscriber
    Aesah said
    Thehammah said
    I dont like making big bets... I get nervous
    is this related to bankroll issues? like if you were playing $.01/.02 at someone's house with friends and made a huge shove for 200bb ($4) would it make you nervous?
    You sicko shoving $4 in to a $.12 pot!
  • chilidog Posts: 2,427Subscriber
    A friend of mine just bet/bet/shoved 4x pot ($300 into $75) in a limped pot and got snap called the other night. His small boat was good. #pokerisdead

    This hand reminded me of the value in mixing up lines and betting creatively rather than always : 2/3, 2/3, 1/2 or whatever.
  • chilidog Posts: 2,427Subscriber
    Also Wendy-
    I'd be interested in seeing some threads from your 20/40 oe game. Both games would be fun to look at. #nutnut
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