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$2/$5/$20 Is there ever a time to slow play in Limit Omaha 8?

NicholasK Posts: 237Member
Simple hand I'm sure but I'm so new I need help with the most simple spots.

7 handed Omaha 8 or Better with $2/$5 blinds and betsize up to $20 at any time

UTG-V1:($600)LAG Semi-Pro casino employee straddles to $25
+1 V2:($350) TP rec folds
+2 V3:($160)LP rec folds
COV4:($900)Aggressive solid player calls
B Hero:($1650) Passive preflop (Leak?), aggressive postflop calls with AJ25 suted to the 5
SB V5:($350) TP rec folds
BB V6:($350) TP rec calls
Straddle raises to $45, all but BB call 3 ways to the flop

FLOP:($157) 5nosuit2nosuit2nosuit
V1 bets $20, V4 calls, Hero raises to $40, V1 calls, V4 calls
Turn:($277) 5nosuit
V1 checks, V4 checks, I bet $20, call, call
River:($337) 5nosuit
V1 folds, V4 checks, Hero bet $20, V4 folds

Was there any way to get more value here? I feel like I announced FH on the flop and after that Vs just went into check/calling mode and I got a small/medium size pot for a monster.

Comments

  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,085Subscriber
    Hey Nicholas.

    You get some very weird O8 games dont you? He he. So the basic premise should always be to fast play anything in limit O8. Players will call for low draws and the faster you play a hand the less they will think you have a monster. There are very very few spots to check to get future value. Now you can check raise if you think someone will bet and you can then get the extra bet in but I tend to just lead out.

    So in limit O8 you def want to bet on the flop as players will peel there and fold if they dont feel they improve their equity. By the river you might even get a player who has a big pocket pair to call you since your line looks alot like a 2..

    So about your call preflop instead of raising. I actually have a question currently out to Bart about just flatting bad A2xx hands. he could certainly add color but this is my feelings. You have an extra wheel card and you have high potential with the AJ AND you are in late pos. You wont thin the field but with so many players in the hand already you will get multiway action with a hand that plays well multiway and you are in pos. in these limit games you have to get the money in early because players will give up their equity either on the flop or on the turn. NO one is going to fold preflop if they called the straddle.

    Now if you had say A2Jx where X is say 6-T and Q-K I am more inclined to call. Yes you have a two way hand but so many hands.. so many you will get counterfeited by the river. so having a backup low in my opinion is the difference between raising this hand and just calling. Also it also "mixes" things up so when players see you raise some A2s and not others it helps disguise your hand ranges.. not that players are really paying attention but some will. So you will get calls from A3s and A4s and win more money.

    Another aspect in limit is sometimes NOT raising if you think the added value of calls from players yet to act outweigh the double bet you would get from the players already in. So say its 5 ways to the flop and someone leads into you. I am more inclined to call there because 3 players behind me will call and thats 3 bets more instead of the 1 more I might get from the player that lead. Also you might have a player who has a 2 behind you raise. then I am probably going to threebet and trap everyone in between. Players will know you have a 2 but they will still call to chop because now the pot is so big.

    Does all of this makes sense? if you want to discuss O8 offline PM me your number and I am happy to pay it forward.

    Wendy
  • BartBart Posts: 5,820AdministratorLeadPro
    So basically this is a $20-$20 limit game with $5 in the BB, right?

    Strange structure but this is definitely not the time to slowplay in LO8. Whenever there are two cards below an eight on the flop shovel in as much money as possible with the nuts. You may think you will play tricky by just calling, but the reality is if someone is leading out on the flop with something other than a 2, say like with the nut flush draw or I hand like A34, they are not going to automatically bet the turn after getting several callers so you aren't going to get that "big bet" turn raise in anyway. And in fact, as I write this I am realizing that the betting structure in this game doesn't change from flop to turn like in most limit games so waiting to raise is pointless because you can get the big bet in on the flop anyway.

    The times I slowplay in LO8 is specifically on the turn when I have a hand like top boat and no low can come in. Say for example the board is Ks9s7x and I have pocket kings. It gets checked to me, I bet and two guys call. The turn is a 7 and they both check to me again, most likely indicating that neither has a 7 and that they most likely called the flop with draws. If they are the type that will just fold the turn because the board pairs (usually only at 40-80 and higher) I may check and "let them get there" or induce a river bluff. But in reality there is no place for slowplaying in LO8 games at the 20-40 level.

    Bart
  • NicholasK Posts: 237Member
    Thehammah said
    You get some very weird O8 games dont you?
    Yes, the one I play in mostly is the same player pool's $2/$5/$50 spread limit that allows over PSB on the flop if there are limpers but plays much like limit if there is any strong raise pre.
    Thehammah said
    Does all of this makes sense?
    I think so, cliff-notes:
    Slowplaying in early streetsmis almost always a dumb idea.
    Preflop, you can raise A2WheelX cards from late pos because it'll likely still go multiway
    Slowplaying the nutz if you can suck in more than 1 extra V's bets into the pot is ok.
    Thehammah said if you want to discuss O8 offline PM me your number and I am happy to pay it forward.
    I will absolutely take you up on this.thumb
  • NicholasK Posts: 237Member
    Bart said ...
    The times I slowplay in LO8 is specifically on the turn when I have a hand like top boat and no low can come in. Say for example the board is Ks9s7x and I have pocket kings. It gets checked to me, I bet and two guys call. The turn is a 7 and they both check to me again, most likely indicating that neither has a 7 and that they most likely called the flop with draws. If they are the type that will just fold the turn because the board pairs (usually only at 40-80 and higher) I may check and "let them get there" or induce a river bluff. But in reality there is no place for slowplaying in LO8 games at the 20-40 level.
    Thank you for clearing this spot up for me. There were a couple times I've been trapped by this line on the turn, or I've lost value on the turn by betting out too strongly when my top set boated up on the turn.
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