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2/3/5 - AA out of position

NR Posts: 3Subscriber
2/3/5 NL game w/ a $10 straddle on. I have about a $900 stack and opponent covers. No history with him, only know that he bought in for the max when he sat down and has topped off when he lost a pot. Not a donk is my impression.

I raise to 50 from EP w/ A A. one caller in MP, everyone else folds.

Flop: Q 8 6 - I bet 80 (into 115), he calls.
Turn: T - I bet 140 (into 275), he calls.
River: 9 - I shove for just over pot...

How is my line?

Was a little unsure what to do on the river, I didn't want to check and face a large river bet from an unknown. By betting big I thought maybe I could get a fold from a weak two pair (T9/98), or even small chance of getting a hero call from AQ/KQ.
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  • GarlandGarland Posts: 357Subscriber
    Your open pre-flop raise is unusually large (5x). I don't know if this is the norm, but if not, it should narrow the calling range significantly, especially from "not a donk". I'm not sure there are many T9/98 unless maybe they were suited.

    Once you arrive at the river, there's $555 in the pot and your stack has $630. Really you're targeting such a narrow range of calling hands. You block AQ, but there are some KQ. QJ got there. I'm not sure there are many 2 pair, but I don't think they're folding to any bet easily.

    Interesting spot. I don't think all-in is the correct play. I don't like the mindset of "betting, so I don't have to face a potential big bet". I could get on board with checking/evaluating or betting an amount to target AQ/KQ, like $175 with the intent to fold. Would like to hear thoughts from others.
  • alecspade Posts: 73Subscriber
    Agree with everything Garland said. You've essentially turned your hand into a bluff on the river. We may be able to get exactly Q9 to fold which he should almost never have but we allow him to get off the hook with his single paired queens.
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,439Subscriber
    I would have bet more OTT might be a spot where you overbet. That card really helps his range in that it gives him a lot of pair + draws. It also removes a lot of semibluff shoves from his range because when you bet so large OTT it shows you have a really strong hand and you can safely fold even if getting 2:1 if he shoves because there is little chance he will semi-bluff shove you. He will also still call with hands like AQ or KQ thinking you have possibly a semibluff.

    Vs an unknown you need to lean on them calling more at these stakes until noted otherwise.
  • NR Posts: 3Subscriber
    Results: I shove river for just over pot....and he looks pained but calls fairly quickly.
    Spoiler:
    He has 9 7 to win. AA no good, he actually turned the straight.

    Thanks for the input.
  • deadinaditchdeadinaditch Posts: 226Subscriber
    edited July 22
    Garland said:
    Your open pre-flop raise is unusually large (5x). I don't know if this is the norm, but if not, it should narrow the calling range significantly, especially from "not a donk". I'm not sure there are many T9/98 unless maybe they were suited.

    Once you arrive at the river, there's $555 in the pot and your stack has $630. Really you're targeting such a narrow range of calling hands. You block AQ, but there are some KQ. QJ got there. I'm not sure there are many 2 pair, but I don't think they're folding to any bet easily.

    Interesting spot. I don't think all-in is the correct play. I don't like the mindset of "betting, so I don't have to face a potential big bet". I could get on board with checking/evaluating or betting an amount to target AQ/KQ, like $175 with the intent to fold. Would like to hear thoughts from others.
    Yeah, what exactly are you trying to achieve here? Was this a bluff or a value bet? Doesn't that run-out scare you just a little? I would me. I really can't see you getting called by much that you beat, AQ maybe but that's it! TBH the shove looks a little panicky.

    Garland, I don't think 5x is really all that big, 4x is kinda standard and there are the extra blinds. There is already $20 in the pot.



  • BartBart Posts: 5,954AdministratorLeadPro
    Don’t be afraid to check fold in the river, especially against players that aren’t turning hands into a bluff. KQ is just going to check back at the end and you lose to any seven or a jack. I also don’t think any two pair hand is folding. Just check here and hope it goes x/x.

    Also preflop your sizing is a little large for all but the most wild of games. Bart
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,439Subscriber
    I for got to add that the river card is ass for your hand. With that card you XF especially if you bet large OTT.

    This is the reason. If you bomb the turn your hand looks very strong so they will think twice about bombing the river with a missed FD because they realize people don't fold strong hands. Since you look strong a river bet would not be a bluff.

    This applies to bad players.
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