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Greyorg Posts: 18Subscriber
edited July 20 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
Hi everyone.

Here's a hand I would appreciate some feedback on.

Thanks in anticipation of your comments

1/3 NLHE, Crown Casino Melbourne, midnight-ish Friday night/Saturday morning, 8 handed. The players are a mixture of recreational players and regulars, most players playing a TAG style, with most raises resulting in 2 -3 way hands to the flop.

Hero has a TAG image,has been playing for about 90 minutes and has built his stack up from $300 to $550.

Villain is a young confident player, new to the table - from a broken table. A couple of hands before this hand he three bet J,J preflop, and hit top set on the flop but was outdrawn by a rivered flush, losing about$100 to his short stacked opponent.

The game is turbo format - each player has 10 seconds to act, and can buy 30 seconds of time twice in a hand at the cost of one big blind each time

Effective stack size is $370 (Villain).

Hero is on the button, villain is in the hijack

The action is folded around to a middle position player who raises to $15. Villian calls, and hero three bets QQ to $60. Both players call.

The pot is $180 preflop

The flop comes A,2,2 rainbow.

The action is checked to Hero, who bets $60. MP folds and villian calls.

The pot is about $300

The turn is another 2 - the board is now A,2,2,2.

Villian checks, hero checks behind

The river is a K.

Villian moves all in for $250.

The board is A,2,2,2,K

I'm not sure if this is a fold (for the Ax, Kx hands in villian's range) or a call (for the balance of villlian's range).

What should hero do?

Thanks in anticipation.

Greyorg

Comments

  • CycleV Posts: 1,144Subscriber
    welcome aboard. If you can still edit your post, take out the spoiler about his hand. you'll get better responses.

    And the paying 1BB for more time idea is brilliant.
  • Greyorg Posts: 18Subscriber
    Thanks cycleV - done
  • joshofalltrades Posts: 91Subscriber
    I don’t thInk this is a bluff often enough to warrant a call. Pretty much the only way that happens is if V can read your hand fairly accurately, recognizes that a hand like 99 or TT has no showdown value, and be capable of bluffing 80+ BB. The chances of that at 1/3 are very slim. Unless he’s visibly tilted from getting sucked out on I would just give it up.
  • Greyorg Posts: 18Subscriber
    Thanks jojacks, makes sense
  • Jax1234 Posts: 65Member
    Any merits to checking back the flop in position? You are really only protecting against a king on the turn and you are already losing to any ace.

    It seems like your plan was to get one street of value and then just hope that you are good at showdown. If that was the plan, I think it makes more sense to check back the flop and bet the turn if checked to you again if no king comes on the turn. A villain is less likely to pursue a bluff against you if you hold off on betting until the turn.

    I guess the question though is what to do if the villain leads out on the turn if you checked the flop.
  • deadinaditchdeadinaditch Posts: 234Subscriber
    edited July 21
    Not that it changes things much but the PFR might be a little small. I think I go $75 or $80 but bet sizing has never been my strong point.

    You might consider checking back the flop but of course doing this does make you vulnerable to a steal on later streets so you do need to keep some strong aces in your check back range although this possibility might be lost to the patrons of your typical 1/3 game.

    As played, I think you need to call. V's line looks fishy. By checking back the turn you basically announced that you do not have an Ace opening the door for a steal. You did bet the flop so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that you have an ace so why would he bet so large on the river with Kings Full? It really looks like he's blowing you off the hand.
  • Greyorg Posts: 18Subscriber
    Thx Jax1234 - i think you're right about my plan - I think that a check on the flop would look weak, and gives me no information about V - also might have induced a bluff on the turn as you point out - and I can make my decision one street earlier - still a tough decision I think.

    Thx again

  • Greyorg Posts: 18Subscriber
    Thx deadinaditch,

    I thought my pfr might have been a bit small - I agree tho it probably doesn't change anything.

    I think a check on the flop induces a bet/steal on the turn and gives me no further information.

    I suspect you're right about the call on the river - the all-in was suspicious

    Thx again

  • joshofalltrades Posts: 91Subscriber
    deadinaditch said:

    As played, I think you need to call. V's line looks fishy. By checking back the turn you basically announced that you do not have an Ace opening the door for a steal. You did bet the flop so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that you have an ace so why would he bet so large on the river with Kings Full? It really looks like he's blowing you off the hand.
    Even though I voted for a fold, I do agree with this analysis. The line does look fishy, and this would be a really weird play for KX (also, what KX is he calling the flop with?). Furthermore, based on the preflop action, I would greatly reduce combos of AA, KK, and AK, and you block half of the AQ combos, so a call makes a lot of sense from a theoretical perspective, I just don’t see many guys with the stones to try a move like that in my 1/3 game.
  • Greyorg Posts: 18Subscriber
    Thanks jojacks, makes sense, although his range at. this level probably includes all suited aces.

    I think it's possibly a call on balance.

    Thanks again
  • deadinaditchdeadinaditch Posts: 234Subscriber
    Well, was it a happy ending?
  • BartBart Posts: 5,994AdministratorLeadPro
    When you get to this spot multi-way you have to play more straightforward. Even though you can bet a robust range for small sizing HU, against two opponents I would usually check this back on the flop. I disagree, with most here in the river I think there is one clear cut answer and it’s not close. In fact I’m usually going to pitch a king here to straight forward play. Bart
  • Greyorg Posts: 18Subscriber
    Thanks Bart, I appreciate your comments.

    Great site BTW.

  • Greyorg Posts: 18Subscriber
    Hey deadinaditch.

    I ended up folding.

    He showed pocket sized.

    I went for a walk......
  • Greyorg Posts: 18Subscriber
    Hey deadinaditch.

    Sized = sixes sorry
  • deadinaditchdeadinaditch Posts: 234Subscriber
    Ah, I was wondering about that. I thought it might be some kinda Aussie slang.
  • Greyorg Posts: 18Subscriber
    Hey deadinaditch.

    Aussie slang is more like "flat out like a lizard drinking"
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