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Confessions Of A Newbie PLO Player: Part 4

Garland Posts: 261Subscriber
As a background, I'm primarily a NL player who hasn't played any PLO in about a decade. I consider NL my dinner and PLO as dessert.

Location: Lucky Chances $2/$3 blinds (w/ $5 straddle, $10 to bring it in) $100-$1000 buy-in (known affectionately as baby PLO)

Session 1 (this is a wild and crazy gambling session):

Hand 1: $460 effective K Q Q 3
Pre-Flop ($10 - 6 players) Wild Loose Bluffy UTG posts dead $20 after a straddle, I raise on button to $70, SB (another wild loose crazy bluffy player) calls, UTG calls.
Flop ($218 - 3 players) K K J flop. SB pots, UTG folds, I ?

Hand 2: $855 effective A A 4 2
Pre-Flop ($10 - 7 players) Limper in field, Wild Loose Bluffy SB (exhibits ability to bluff and bluff raise) pots $40, I re-pot in BB to $140, all fold he calls.
Flop ($295 - 2 players) J 8 2 x, bet $150, call.
Turn ($595 - 2 players) T xx (ready to use stiff A to bluff if necessary on river)
River ($595 - 2 players) 4 SB bets $310, I ?

Hand 3: $1000 effective A K J T
Pre-Flop ($10 - 7 players) I misclick $15 ($20 is max pot) in HJ, SB, BB and straddle call.
Flop ($60 - 4 players) J 4 2. xxx $35, 2 calls
Turn ($165 - 3 players) 6 xxx?
River ($165 - 3 players) 9 xx, I bet? How much?

Session 2 same casino and stakes...mix of decent thinking players and loose passive rec players. Tone of game much more passive than session 1

Hand 4: $600 effective A 4 3 3

Pre-Flop ($10 - 7 players) 3 limpers in field, I complete in straddle.

Flop ($45 - 4 players) T 6 2 I check (?), loose aggressive UTG bets $20, 2 loose passive field callers, I just call (?)

Turn ($125 - 4 players) 2 xxxx

River ($125 - 4 players) 8, I bet how much?

Hand 5: $800 effective K K Q 5

Pre-Flop ($10 - 7 players) - I limp UTG, another limp in the field, SB (competent aggressive PLO veteran, does not have to have AA) pots to $50, Loose passive BB calls, I call, limper folds.

Flop ($165 - 3 players) Q 8 3 SB $105, BB folds, I call (?)

Turn ($375 - 2 players) 9 xx

River ($375 - 2 players) 4 x, I bet ?, how much??

Hand 6: $750 effective A A 4 4

Pre-Flop ($10 - 7 players) - Loose aggressive competent player in HJ raises to $20 (been losing a lot to this point, is capable of bluffing and putting pressure on opponents, will fold to re-pots preflop unless his hand has decent value), CO calls, I re-pot in BB to $100, only HJ calls.

Flop ($225 - 2 players) 7 6 5. I check (?), HJ bet $140, I ??

Comments

  • High__Rolla Posts: 775Subscriber
    Garland said:

    Hand 1: $460 effective K Q Q 3
    Pre-Flop ($10 - 6 players) Wild Loose Bluffy UTG posts dead $20 after a straddle, I raise on button to $70, SB (another wild loose crazy bluffy player) calls, UTG calls.
    Flop ($218 - 3 players) K K J flop. SB pots, UTG folds, I ?
    I think this spot is a lot tougher than it may seem. There are no flush draws available on this flop and your QQ blocks some of the big wraps. I don't think he leads with Jxxx. So, this means he often has Kxxx here. If it is AKxx or KJxx, you are in bad shape with only 15% equity versus that range. Against a 5%-30% hand with a K, you only have 28% equity. Even against a K you currently lead, like K987, your opponent has about 40% equity.

    So, as nitty as it sounds, I don't mind just folding here. Against a tighter player, I think this becomes even more of a fold. If you had AK here, I'd go with it.
    by 1CycleV
  • High__Rolla Posts: 775Subscriber
    Garland said:
    Hand 2: $855 effective A A 4 2
    Pre-Flop ($10 - 7 players) Limper in field, Wild Loose Bluffy SB (exhibits ability to bluff and bluff raise) pots $40, I re-pot in BB to $140, all fold he calls.
    Flop ($295 - 2 players) J 8 2 x, bet $150, call.
    Turn ($595 - 2 players) T xx (ready to use stiff A to bluff if necessary on river)
    River ($595 - 2 players) 4 SB bets $310, I ?
    I think the preflop 3bet and flop sizing are good. I'd expect him to often lead or raise OTF with a set of top two pair since he can commit, so his range is mostly pairs+draws and SDs. The T is not the best turn card. Is he the type to lead here if he improves especially since there is about one PSB left?

    As played OTR, his line does not make a lot of sense to me. How tight is your image to this Villian? Is he likely to put you on exactly aces when you 3-bet? If so, this might give him a green light to bluff after you turn check, knowing you are often capped. I rarely expect him to show up with a set OTR with this line. It seems like Q9xx and 97xx leads the turn a decent percentage of the time since a FD appeared and you can very easily have broadway cards to a higher straight. He doesn't sound like the super hand reader going for thin value either. So, I am tempted to look him up here since a lot of SD missed, especially T9xx. However, I think one risk is that he is "bluffing" with a better two pair like T2, T4, T8, or 82. Nothing is worse that catching someone bluffing and losing.
  • High__Rolla Posts: 775Subscriber
    Garland said:

    Hand 3: $1000 effective A K J T
    Pre-Flop ($10 - 7 players) I misclick $15 ($20 is max pot) in HJ, SB, BB and straddle call.
    Flop ($60 - 4 players) J 4 2. xxx $35, 2 calls
    Turn ($165 - 3 players) 6 xxx?
    River ($165 - 3 players) 9 xx, I bet? How much?
    I assume you are wanting to bet this river as a bluff since its unlikely a worse hand would call? I think I just showdown my AJ here expecting to sometimes win. Neither opponent can have 53xx after checking turn and river. Sets are also unlikely. So that means each called the flop with a range of mostly overpairs, Jxxx, weak two pair, and/or wheel draws. Other than some of the weaker two pairs, I just don't think you get folds from many stronger hands and your hand does have some showdown value.
  • High__Rolla Posts: 775Subscriber
    Garland said:


    Hand 4: $600 effective A 4 3 3

    Pre-Flop ($10 - 7 players) 3 limpers in field, I complete in straddle.

    Flop ($45 - 4 players) T 6 2 I check (?), loose aggressive UTG bets $20, 2 loose passive field callers, I just call (?)

    Turn ($125 - 4 players) 2 xxxx

    River ($125 - 4 players) 8, I bet how much?
    I prefer to attack this board OTF with your two nut draws and potential set outs. Other than sets or T6xx, no one is likely to have that much strong on this disconnected flop since you have the NFD. I’d lead here. As played, the half pot bet followed by two callers indicates no one is that strong so I like a C/R here.

    As played OTR, I’d bet about half pot to target weaker flushes or 97xx who gets stubborn.
  • High__Rolla Posts: 775Subscriber
    Garland said:


    Hand 5: $800 effective K K Q 5

    Pre-Flop ($10 - 7 players) - I limp UTG, another limp in the field, SB (competent aggressive PLO veteran, does not have to have AA) pots to $50, Loose passive BB calls, I call, limper folds.

    Flop ($165 - 3 players) Q 8 3 SB $105, BB folds, I call (?)

    Turn ($375 - 2 players) 9 xx

    River ($375 - 2 players) 4 x, I bet ?, how much??


    I don’t think you represent much with a bet on this river and you described the villain as competent. So, I would take the shuttle down since you can beat several Qxxx Hands that he might play this way. If you want to Bluff, I think the turn is the street to do it on.
  • High__Rolla Posts: 775Subscriber
    Garland said:

    Hand 6: $750 effective A A 4 4

    Pre-Flop ($10 - 7 players) - Loose aggressive competent player in HJ raises to $20 (been losing a lot to this point, is capable of bluffing and putting pressure on opponents, will fold to re-pots preflop unless his hand has decent value), CO calls, I re-pot in BB to $100, only HJ calls.

    Flop ($225 - 2 players) 7 6 5. I check (?), HJ bet $140, I ??

    Fold. That board is so much better for his range than yours. You essentially have no draws and one of your set outs make a flush. So it will be very tough to hold on to likely one pair across two more streets.
  • Garland Posts: 261Subscriber
    Thanks for the feedback @High__Rolla. Much appreciated.

    Spoiler:

    Hand 1: Called and shown AKxx. Did not improve.

    Hand 2: Called. Villain says "what do I have?", which I interpret as I caught his bluff. He shows 855x, and I'm good. I doubt villain has many "T2, T4, T8, or 82" in his raise, call 3-bet range.

    Hand 3: Maybe thinking too much about trying to value bet from NL, when this is a standard check-back spot in PLO. Check-back, and I'm good.

    Hand 4: Should have been more aggressive with this hand by leading or check-raising. Bet $45 on river and amazingly got called in 2 spots and was good. One had a worse flush.

    Hand 5: I don't know if I should turn this into a bluff. If I did, then the turn would be the spot. I took the showdown and was shown AAJx.

    Hand 6: I figured the same thing. This is far better for his range than mine. He flashed 8 8, so excellent chance he has me crushed based on that showing alone. If not at least using 8 blockers to represent straight.
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