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2/5/10 Rock Game Strategy

The only PLO games that run at my casino are always 2/5/10 rock games. A rock is where whoever wins the pot has to straddle and the action starts to the left. I have two big questions on what our preflop strategy should be in these situations:

In EP with the Rock to our left in EP or MP and the pot is limped multiway... should we overlimp wider or play tighter since all we have left to act preflop is the rock, but postflop we will be OOP?

In CO or otb with the rock to our right where we are first to act. Play tighter with the whole table left to act preflop or looser with position postflop? Also in hold 'em in this situation I will limp my entire range, should we do that in PLO, too?



  • JoneseyJonesey Posts: 151Subscriber
    Great questions. I’ve wondered about this a lot myself as I’ve been playing the same game at Aria (which has been growing in popularity and attracting a lot of bad players who love to gamble). I don’t know if this is the correct approach but here’s what I’ve been doing: For most pots I expect to go multi-way with deep stacks I’m playing as though my position is dictated by the post flip configuration, when I don’t want to be out of position with most of my drawing hands — so I’m sticking with traditional opening ranges even though I may have good position preflop. But for those premium suited aces, premium Kings, or even top Broadway suited rundowns (Like suited AKQJT 4 card combos or suited AKQQ), if I think being aggressive preflop can get me heads up or in low post-flop SPR situations, I bomb away in late preflop position regardless of my post flop position (since low SPR situations reduce the position advantage.

    I’m very curious how others are addressing this same issue.
  • Chase Posts: 181Subscriber
    A warning: I have no experience playing in games with a rock.

    Very interesting situations that seem to showcase the complexity of PLO!

    In the first situation, it seems like one of the most important factors (besides effective stacks of course) will be the tendencies and skill-level of the player in the straddle. Assuming a particular player doesn't often raise out of the straddle in this situation, I would think we can profitability over-limp some hands that might seem marginal but that play well multiway. These would tend to be single-compontent hands that are high in nuttiness and prefer to see a cheap multiway flop, like QJT9 :r: , A T T 8 , A K Q 5
    Since we know the pot will be multiway, I would avoid over-limping hands that are low in nuttiness, even if they are double-suited and well-connected.
    Unless we can rely on the straddle to raise, I would have a raising range, otherwise we are missing out on too much value with our premium hands.

    In the second situation, it seems like our strategy should depend on many factors, including:
    - stacks
    - table dynamics
    - the tendencies and skill-level of the player in the straddle.

    It's easy to imagine situations where you would want to over-limp your playing range in this config, but it's also easy to imagine situations where you would certainly be open-raising some hands. For example, suppose the straddle is a loose/passive rec who virtually never raises from the straddle, and the remaining players are all tight and straightforward regs.
  • LatvianMissile Posts: 260Subscriber
    These are great points. I think the table dynamics are huge. There's usually 3-4 PLO games on Tuesdays at my casino and there are must moves, so the situation is changing.

    A couple of other things I noticed today:

    -One of the really good players (A pro that has close to $1 mil in wsop winnings) was limping more OOP when the straddle was in LP, and raising more in LP regardless of where the straddle was (he also played pretty nitty).

    -I have a nittier image in PLO, so I limped on the button a little bit weaker because I could get a bluff thru easier if I needed to.

    -I ended up playing at two different tables and the majority of the time they were multi-way preflop, even with raises. There are almost no 3! in these games either.
  • JoneseyJonesey Posts: 151Subscriber
    Interesting. Raising in LP (relative to post flop — even if it’s EP relative to the rock) gives you the late position betting lead post flop. Although there is a lot more dink leading in PLO that That Two Card Game, it still could lead to some free turn cards.

    Sounds like he’s mostly ignoring the rock position and looking at post flop position in preflop betting.
  • JoneseyJonesey Posts: 151Subscriber
    The Aria game (I’m playing in it as I write this) is 3! Pre 50% of the time depending on the lineup. It’s much more likely to have a 3 or 4 bet than the 1-2-5 game.
  • LatvianMissile Posts: 260Subscriber
    Jonesey said:
    The Aria game (I’m playing in it as I write this) is 3! Pre 50% of the time depending on the lineup. It’s much more likely to have a 3 or 4 bet than the 1-2-5 game.
    Interesting. Seems like table dynamics should dictate our strategy. In your game, I think your strategy is sound, in my game i think we can play wider and call wider in LP since we don’t have to worry about a 3! As often. This wouldn’t work as well in the game your playing.

    Also, maybe i should 3! More often.

    Would love to hear anything you pick up from the game @jonesey
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