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set in straddled pot

floppedawheel Posts: 1,063Subscriber
edited November -1 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
2/5, 800 cap

edgewater casino, vancouver

villain is a reg who often plays higher. about a half hour earlier, i doubled through him when he raised a pot that had been straddled under the gun and called five ways. from the button, he'd raised these multi-way straddled pots several times before. he raised to 40 and i made it 105 in SB with AheartQheart. he calls. flop comes JheartTheart6heart i check, he shoves, i call. i'd started hand with 450. he had Kheart8diamond in that hand. clearly thinks he's a poker genius able to outplay anyone at any time with any holding.

i started this hand with 900. villain's got 725 has straddled from the button. in SB, i look down at 7spade7club i make it 40. this was in part because i knew the pot was going to get raised eventually by the villain or someone else. and if it ended up being over several limps, the raise might be like 100-120, pricing me out. i didn't want that, so i named my price, willing to risk the re-pop. plus, it gives me the initiative and adds deception if i hit a set. it's limped around to villain. as 100% expected, he calls.

flop (80): 7heartQheart3club

i bet 50. he calls fairly quickly.

turn (180): Aclub

i bet 100. he takes a few seconds and calls.

river (380): Tclub

i bet 200. villain shoves his remaining 535.

thoughts?

Comments

  • sevencarddud Posts: 30Member
    Seems unlikely to be a bluff since you've shown aggression on every street. It's very rare for someone to turn a busted draw into a bluff at the end when you've bet into them the whole way (unless there was some history where he saw you bet bet bet and then show down a weak holding).

    The value hands he could have here that beat you are Qx of clubs and 45/46/56 of clubs. I think he would raise the turn with a set of 3s or if he made aces up because the board is so wet. So really the only value hand he could have on the river that you're beating is AhTh, and even then he might just call thinking if you're continuing to bet it looks like you definitely could have AQ, QQQ, or 777. I guess he could have QT also, but again I don't know if he's going to value raise so thinly given the strength you've shown.

    I think this is a fold unless you have more history where you think the guy would really be capable of trying to bet someone off a hand when they've shown so much strength.

    I would think about checking the river here, especially if I think the guy will fold a queen. He seems like the type of player that would value bet an ace if you check, and would also bluff missed hearts. And if he bets small and it looks like he's value betting an ace, you could even check/raise. However, if you think he's calling with a queen and checking back an ace, then betting is the right play.
  • sevencarddud Posts: 30Member
    Add KhJh to his value range
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,086Subscriber
    I like your preflop play and I have done this exact thing many times before where players would call my raise but if I limped they would raise more themselves.

    I HATE your bet sizing on the flop. You bet so small you made it very hard to get stacks in on the river. Also your size is so small you will have a harder time narrowing villains range..

    When you bet small again on the turn and he calls again what Aces could he have? He floated with an ace and made top pair? maybe . He probably doesnt have two pair he would have raised and like seven said he probably doesnt have a set of 3s either.. Given this line his value range is heavily weighted towards straight draws and pairs of Qs that now hit flush draws too..

    With a raise pre of 40 I would have bet a little bigger .. around 65-70.. then by the turn with the pot now 80 plus say 130 (your 65 and his call) 210 you can bet around 150..

    I like your bet on the river as apposed to checking. Then when he shoves if you have rarely seen him bluff this card I think this is a fold. the pot is now 1115 335 to call. you are getting about 3.32 to 1.. you have to be good here around 23% of the time (assuming I have done this math correctly..) So do you think he is bluffing or overplaying AT or QT 1 out of 4 times? If so you call. If not you fold..

    ww
  • floppedawheel Posts: 1,063Subscriber
    Thehammah said
    I HATE your bet sizing on the flop. You bet so small you made it very hard to get stacks in on the river. Also your size is so small you will have a harder time narrowing villains range..

    When you bet small again on the turn and he calls again what Aces could he have? He floated with an ace and made top pair? maybe .
    ww
    very, very good point. as i was writing this up, i began to wonder whether i'd sized these too small -- and i hadn't considered that i had before then. i just thought he'd call with a very wide range at those sizes, and maybe even try to come over the top with a move. but unless i thought he'd be calling just extremely, extremely light, my sizing should have been bigger -- if even just for value and getting in stacks. i played this hand predicated on the distinct possibility that this guy was capable of moves.
  • jackmiller Posts: 15Subscriber
    did you call or fold?
  • DavidChan Posts: 1,208Pro
    C-bet 55-60 on flop.

    As played, puke/fold river.
  • floppedawheel Posts: 1,063Subscriber
    i ended up calling.... 335 to call. pot was 910. i just think the guy is bluffing enough to make this call. i only have to be good 1 out of 3.5 times.

    might have been overly optimistic. but it was a matter of the dynamic at the table and the kind of player i saw this guy as -- all of which can't really be conveyed in posts. he had like a chip on his shoulder and i think that i give off a vibe that i can be taken advantage of cause i have a cleaner-cut image and he hadn't seen me play before that day since i was just visiting. i think it's closer than it seems at a glance. too close for me to fold....

    obviously i lost the hand. he flips over KdiamondJclub so he called the turn with a gutshot and got there. maybe he thought i was weak the whole time and that maybe his king and jack would have been good, too. but i think he might have had plans to run a bluff if i check the river. and i clearly thought he was capable of trying to run a bluff even after i've shown so much strength so i called. he happened to run into a real hand.... wish i could go back and see what he would have done if the river was 2diamond
  • reemas Posts: 100Member
    Thehammah said
    I HATE your bet sizing on the flop. You bet so small you made it very hard to get stacks in on the river. Also your size is so small you will have a harder time narrowing villains range..
    ww
    When you cbet that size with a set, are you also cbetting that size with AQ, or air?
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,086Subscriber
    I tend to cbet the same percentage each time. One exception is if there is super wet board. There I can get called by many draws and will bet bigger especially in multi way pots. His flop bet is small. His turn bet is just awful.. he bet so small on the turn that anyone with any kind of draw pretty much got the right price. Why you ask? because villain shoved and hero called..if hero folded then at least you can say you gave villain the wrong price.

    So if you ARENT folding then why not bet more on the turn? You only bet less on turn if you will fold or think you maybe behind already and will check fold.

    Wendy
  • floppedawheel Posts: 1,063Subscriber
    Thehammah said

    he bet so small on the turn that anyone with any kind of draw pretty much got the right price.
    i agree i should have gone somewhat bigger, but he wasn't getting the right price. have to bet according to range. and i thought this villain had a wide range even to the turn, as stated. it turns out that that was correct -- he had a 4-outer. pot is 280 when he chooses to call the turn for 100. so he needs to win 1100 in the hand, so 820 more -- which is impossible since he only had 535 left.
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