the first hand: I am button with pocket 4s and its a 6 way limp pot.
flop goes 10 6 4 rainbow. sb leads for 30 bb calls and hj calls. I make it 160. sb calls and bb tanks and ships it for 450 total. hj tank folds. I start to tank.
sb: fish but will call with top pair, open enders, maybe call with pair and runner runner straight sometimes. he would re raise with any set. bb: I have seen him over play big pocket pairs, but I have owned him before because of that. So, I think he avoids me sometimes. He would have raised a lot of pairs pre. I am guessing jj+ and not sure on 10's. So, maybe some of the combos of 10s. I doubt 6's.
So, I am thinking wow a back raise=very strong. Would he do this with 10 6?maybe. But not sure. What do you do? What do you do on turn if you call and sb calls? what cards do you ship and what cards do you check?
I decided to call to get sb to call. I figured he would fold if I shipped it. Turn was a 5 he checks and I ship and he tanks fold 7-5. The other guy has a set of 6s. So, I was drawing to 1 out. I know combination wise more combos of 10-6 then sets of 10s and 6s. but this play is so strong. So, I am curious what people think.
about an hour and half later:
I built my stack back up to 800.
Nit lady in ug makes it 25 pre she has 500 behind pre: she has been playing for about 30 minutes and hasn't raised or has played a few hands, but I haven't seen her do anything. Also, I was watching my friend play 1-2 last night and she didn't raise in the 35 minutes I saw. And same thing didn't really play any hands.
mid player (sb from last hand) calls hj calls (has 190 pre) and I call button with 77 (800)
flop: j 8 7 rainbow. ug leads for 60 mid player calls
i make it 200 to go. ug tanks and calls. mid player says calls and is all in.
main pot: 690 side :20
my range on her pre was 88s+ aq+
I don't give nits a huge range and I rarely give them aj or a 10. I also figure smaller pocket pairs they will limp.
So, I also figured I am a way ahead way behind situation. Either she has a set or an over pair. thoughts on range?
For mid position guy: he would flat pre with 22-10s pre maybe 10s half the time. also he would call with suited/unsuited connectors. also, aj kj qj j10 and maybe j9 (so gap connectors pre. His pre flop range is pretty open. So, on the flop I figured if he had a j he would have raised the 60. especially if he had a draw. I feel he would have raised with a set. so, i was kind of confused what he had, maybe he flopped it, or 10s or 9s. and figured. I will go with it.
So, my plan on the turn was to ship a lot of cards. Turn q and still a rainbow.
She checks and I tank. My thought process on this one: if she has aa or kk i will get the money on the river b/c i doubt she can fold an over pair. I also figured she would check call the river with those hands. If she has a set jj, qq and maybe 88. I am getting my hand in bad. so, way ahead way behind again. So, I figured if I check the turn I get the aa or kk money no mater what. and i doubt she would ship a lot of rivers with one pair.
she thinks and open ships: I am getting crazy pot odds. My question for people do nits ship here with aa kk? any is there any other hands in the range i beat? Would a nit get it in with a set on the flop?
I have been told by my poker friends: I give players too much credit, i over think hands a lot and sometimes I just need to get the money in. I will admit the other set was a big hand and giving me issues. How many times will this happen.
I hope this makes sense and I am curious what people think.