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Obnoxious tables - my LA experience

JimPsaros Posts: 107Subscriber
edited May 2014 in Low Content Forum
I recently spent a couple of days in LA, as part of a trip from Australia. I had a couple of lengthy sessions at Commerce and one at the Bike, playing 5/5 and 3/5.

As a player, Bart would describe me as a "recreational player", less kind regs would see me as a fish. I love the game and like most recreational players am break even at best. I am in my mid 50s, and well enough paid in my job so that winning or losing is largely irrelevant at the 5/5 game. Still, like any player my ego wants me to win. I enjoy the podcasts and am probably less fishy than I used to be.

Anyway I was really looking forward to playing at both Commerce and the Bike, but both were really dreadful experiences. Perhaps I was unlucky and found enough obnoxious players at the tables I played at to make it a pretty miserable experience. The only "conversation" that seemed to take place was either hostile, offensive or demeaning. I don't need to be told if someone thinks I played a hand badly. Most times I think they were talking crap, but that's not the point. I can live with it, but is sure takes the fun out of the game. Certainly not all players did this. Some just had headphones on and were in their own world. As an aside I couldn't believe how badly several players talked to the dealers, who just seemed to cop it. At one point one of the dealers reported an obnoxious player who had clearly insulted her to the floor. The floor, patted the dealer on the shoulder and brought in another dealer. No comment was made to the player, and offensive behaviour was rewarded.

I apologise to the majority of players, who are not offensive at the table, but it only takes a couple of morons at the table to poison the atmosphere and make it an experience I'd rather not repeat.

Jim

Comments

  • neverlearn2 Posts: 2,827Subscriber
    If I was at your table I would ask you who you would think would win in a fight to the death. 50 dwarves vs 1 adult lion in an enclosed area.

    Your answer will reveal if you like the 3 bet AQ or not PF.

    Disclaimer- the dwarbes are the bravest dwarves but have no weapons. Lion is a std lion.
  • Arenzano Posts: 1,391Subscriber
    Unfortunately, this is often the state of poker in LA at these two casinos. Lots of players good and bad who like berating other players for "misplaying" their hands, don't know how to socialize at the table, wearing headphones and sunglasses while treating the the dealers like crap.

    I'm sorry you had to experience that during your trip. Hopefully you had a chance to visit other rooms in the LA Metro area and had a different and more pleasurable experience.
  • JCW Posts: 591Subscriber
    Most people play to feed their egos and this includes most of the Nits and Nit-Pros out there. Nit-Pros and Want-to-be-Nit-Pros love to show off their "poker knowledge". Sometimes if you listen to them they do have some decent advice, but most of the time it is just their nitty view of poker and should be discarded.

    However often you can use their advice against them as it will tell you how they play.

    I agree with you that it isn't fun to be at a table with those guys. But it isn't just LA, it is everywhere because again most people play poker to feed their ego. My guess is that less than 1% play purely for money.

    As for the berating the dealers that too is far to common. It is sad for the dealers but it really shows an inability for those players to have self-realization (I hope that makes sense). Guys that do that tend to never get better or take far longer to improve.

    This might be too Zen nerdy here but in the book Learned Optimism it talks about the need for people to blame outside forces for one's problems. In fact it is one of the traits of Optimistic people. But in Poker I think it is a huge handicap. Instead of seeking to improve their play, they rather blame the dealer. Or whatever, anything other than themselves and their bad choices.

    Personally when I hear it I just hear a cash register sound of ca-ching. But if they go too far then I will stick up for the dealer. Since they are paid not to stick up for themselves.

  • hoodstar Posts: 68Subscriber
    In my experience (albeit brief) LA is the worst in regards to angle shooting/player and dealer abuse. I've played extensively in the Bay Area, AC, Vegas, and Pennsylvania (all at the 5 dollar blind levels) and my experience at Commerce/bike is definitely the worst.

    If you can put up with the crap the games are good though. Table selection can't be beat either.
  • Defacist Posts: 131Member
    edited May 2014
    In general there are a lot of douches at a poker table, no matter where you go. I live in Southern California and have played against many insufferable people. Commerce/Bike are particularly bad. I have been places where the players seemed a bit nicer -- Oklahoma, Redding (Northern Cal), North Carolina, Indiana, Mississippi, New Mexico. But I found that the people in general were more polite in those places, so it makes sense that poker players would be a little more polite also. I've never played in New Jersey or Connecticut but I imagine some of the players there would be total dicks, based on my experiences with that population in other social contexts (no offense to anyone; I was born in Connecticut and I know there are some wonderful people there). I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but IMO dealing with that stuff is part of the challenge of poker. It's very empowering when someone can say something that should piss you off and you don't show the slightest reaction. Also, if people are criticizing your plays, you can use it against them. They're telling you how they would have done it differently. Essentially they're telling you how they think about poker. That can be a valuable gift if you find yourself in some spots where you can use it.
  • khalwatkhalwat Posts: 997Subscriber
    It's unfortunate that you had a bad experience. Understand that many people at the poker tables are miserable. Instead of taking it personally, just drink their tears.

    If you really want to have some fun, whenever they say something about you playing a hand bad or whatever, just say some inane comment like "I felt it coming" or "That's my lucky hand!" with a big smile.

    It'll drive them insane to the point of tilting their faces off. Then take their monies. :tu:
  • JimPsaros Posts: 107Subscriber
    Thanks for the comments guys. My pretty crappy individual experience is reasonably unimportant, my main point is that obnoxious behaviour is so harmful for the game in general. If it means that a large number of recreation players (like me) are less inclined to play, then the pool of players and the juiciest of the games shrinks. Who wins in that case?
  • DavidChan Posts: 1,208Pro
    Jim,

    Everyone loses when people are acting obnoxiously at the poker table. Recreational players come to have a good time. When the recreational players don't come to the poker table anymore to have a good time, I end up having a bad time because I have to spend my time with a bunch of miserable regs (not such a fun thing for me).

    Big downside of live poker -- lots of miserable regs who drive away all the poker players who want to have a good time.
  • Jakeflush Posts: 24Member
    I play mostly on the east coast and while I do take the game seriously I like to laugh joke and hove fun with the rec players. I am a young guy, about to turn 31 however Im not one of the hoodyed up earphone kids that inhabit the games. I feel I get more action then these kids because I try and create a fun atmosphere and appear to give alot of action. I think these young guns in many cases are better then me, but because of their lack of social skills and there willingness to bleed a rec player for every last nickel their hourly suffers. I am sorry for your experience but unfortunately it happens everywhere. I have seen a guy who had never played live before get absolutely berated for checking out of turn,in a 1-2 game I have seen rec players of all ages leaving games because they become literally scared to play. What these assholes dont understand is that not only is their behavior bad for the game it costs them a ton of money unfortunately it really is a problem without a solution. What you can do is try to time your game around that type of crowd For example early afternoon weekday games in AC are for the most part very friendly also you can try playing in the older casino's that dont attract the punks some of my biggest winning, and most enjoyable sessions have come at Harrah's or Ballys on tuesday afternoon- gl best wishes Jake
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