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I suck at putting in the hours

UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
edited June 2014 in Low Content Forum
Title sums it up. I have nothing better to do, but my volume sucks when considering I have really have nothing better to do. I feel like I'm busy and playing all the time, but my stats are a joke when you look at how many real hours I played this year. I think it's just over 600 hours total and about 200 of those were messing around either in small NL games, mix games, or O8

For you full-time guys out there, how do you make yourself play rather than make excuses for taking the day off. Such as, "I'm losing, I don't feel like playing" or "It's my unlucky day of the week today" or "Well, I have to get ready and it's already x o'clock"

Today's excuse: "It's Sunday at Borgata and I'm still mentally scarred because I was down 5 figures specifically in 2/5 on Sundays at Borgata before I stopped playing specifically on this day at this casino"

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  • chilidog Posts: 2,427Subscriber
    I don't think I've played fewer than 600 hours in any year since I started playing poker seriously, and I've had a full time job for most of those years and kids since 5 years ago. I think most serious part-timers put in more hours than that.
    Maybe u need a change of scenery again. Why not try LA where u can play 5-10 NL + every day if u wanted to. There are also regular plo / mix games popping up now too.
  • Lownstarr Posts: 268Subscriber
    Honestly, your comments above sound like the same ones I hear from everyone who doesn't like their job. I think you have to ask yourself some fundamental questions, like:

    1. Do you really enjoy playing poker? Is there something you'd rather be doing with your time?

    2. Are you playing scared on a regular basis? Why is this? What are you doing about it?

    3. Do you feel like you're working on your game away from the table appropriately? Are you learning new things you can apply to your game to get better?
  • UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
    edited June 2014
    That's 600 hours in half a year so more like 1200 per year.

    It doesn't help that I also think that Vegas games suck which makes them less worth playing than if I lived somewhere where I thought the games were always really good

    Lownstar, you have the wrong idea

    I think I enjoy poker more often than I don't enjoy it. But it can be a bit of the love/hate phenomenon

    Are you kidding? I play the opposite of scared. Haven't you seen some of the hands I post? When I'm playing well, I'm one of the sickest players you'll ever run into also without looking like I'm capable. lBut lately I've been apprehensive before sessions. There's a difference between playing scared at the table and fear in the big picture

    3. I probably spend more time thinking about the game than playing it
  • Lownstarr Posts: 268Subscriber
    UntreatableFPS said:
    That's 600 hours in half a year so more like 1200 per year.

    It doesn't help that I also think that Vegas games suck which makes them less worth playing than if I lived somewhere where I thought the games were always really good

    Lownstar, you have the wrong idea

    I think I enjoy poker more often than I don't enjoy it. But it can be a bit of the love/hate phenomenon

    Are you kidding? I play the opposite of scared. Haven't you seen some of the hands I post? But lately I've been apprehensive before sessions. There's a difference between playing scared at the table and fear in the big picture

    3. I probably spend more time thinking about the game than playing it
    Well at least you're being introspective about it. I generally always look forward to playing...of course the games here are really soft.
  • chilidog Posts: 2,427Subscriber
    Here is my suggestion :
    Come stay with Wendy for like a week and play various games at various times and get a better feel for LA poker.
    And yes , I just invited u to someone else's place for a week.
  • UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
    edited June 2014
    I didn't like LA that much. Better than Vegas but not amazing. East coast much better.

    I feel like I'm super busy, like my schedule feels like a full schedule, but 100 hours per month would say otherwise. Was wondering how everyone seemed to be able to play so much more than me
  • chilidog Posts: 2,427Subscriber
    What are your standard hours? Swing shift? Grave? Days? I think this would have a huge impact on your impression of the games. Also, week day games like wed and thu can be as good or better in SoCal in contrast to Vegas.
  • UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
    edited June 2014
    For non-WSOP ideal scheduling

    Monday: play during the day starting around noon and stay until I think my image sucks or I'm tilting or the game sucks or about 11pm. Game sucks doesn't happen that much because most pros take off

    Tuesday: Off or 1/3 or O8 since it's a slow tourist day

    Wednesday: off, I've been unlucky on Weds lately

    Thurs: Play starting the afternoon when the fish start to arrive in town and stay until conditions make it so my hourly rate won't be worth staying for or 2am, whichever first

    Fri: Play a light early afternoon session. Starting later because I stay later on Thurs sometimes. Leave early if games become pro-infested which happens a lot on weekend nights in Vegas. If not, extend the session until midnight or so.

    Sat: Start around noon, same criteria for leaving as Fri

    Sun: Similar to Mon
  • UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
    edited June 2014
    I was miserable when I was saving my time and energy for Friday and Saturday nights when I first moved to Vegas. Games were always all pros, and I always expected them to be good. Past couple months I've been trying the secondary peak hours and avoid other pros schedule.

    I also might take days on my regular schedule off or play something smaller if I'm on a bit of a downswing and feel discouraged.
  • Lownstarr Posts: 268Subscriber
    edited June 2014
    UntreatableFPS said:
    I was miserable when I was saving my time and energy for Friday and Saturday nights when I first moved to Vegas. Games were always all pros, and I always expected them to be good. Past couple months I've been trying the secondary peak hours and avoid other pros schedule.

    I also might take days on my regular schedule off or play something smaller if I'm on a bit of a downswing and feel discouraged.
    Where do you like to hunt outside of The Venetian (spit), Bellagio, Aria, etc? Where do the terrible locals like to congregate? When I lived in Miami, I found a nice little neighborhood poker room off the beaten path and devoid of the pros that infested the Hard Rock and Isle on the weekends. Doing this ended up being very profitable.
  • UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
    Wynn is my favorite of the large casinos

    Games at places that only have 2/5 on weekends (MGM, caesar's, mirage type places) are usually better than the main poker rooms if you play weekend nights, which I don't play much of anymore
  • Lownstarr Posts: 268Subscriber
    edited June 2014
    UntreatableFPS said:
    Wynn is my favorite of the large casinos

    Games at places that only have 2/5 on weekends (MGM, caesar's, mirage type places) are usually better than the main poker rooms if you play weekend nights, which I don't play much of anymore
    Is that where the locals go? What about places like Red Rock or Downtown? I'm just throwing out ideas...maybe places you can go to avoid the pros and add a little variety.
  • UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
    Why do you want locals anyway? They're not willing to lose much money because Vegas is poor. Locals somewhere around Parx or FL would be different

    Red rock used to be good, but a few guys who are there for way too many hours and are good players make it not that great anymore

    Biggest problem is still not wanting to play when I'm losing.
  • khalwatkhalwat Posts: 997Subscriber
    UntreatableFPS said:

    Biggest problem is still not wanting to play when I'm losing.
    Pay yourself a baseline monthly salary out of your poker roll, plus an hourly wage. It'll help motivate you to put the hours in.
  • Lownstarr Posts: 268Subscriber
    UntreatableFPS said:
    Why do you want locals anyway? They're not willing to lose much money because Vegas is poor. Locals somewhere around Parx or FL would be different

    Red rock used to be good, but a few guys who are there for way too many hours and are good players make it not that great anymore

    Biggest problem is still not wanting to play when I'm losing.
    Regular locals were great for me in Miami because I knew exactly how they played and how to gently fleece them on a regular basis. There was a guy I played with who owned a chain of convenience stores that would come in and drop $1k every Tuesday. He just couldn't fold top pair if he was the pre-flop raiser, regardless of his kicker. Finding ATM's like that always made middle-of-the-week play very stress-free and enjoyable for me.
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,085Subscriber
    lol.. Claire always knows she is welcome at my house.. (she gives me really nice gifts ) that said I have to agree with her that although the games at commerce and the bike might not be too bad the games at borgata, ML and parx are simply superb.. I had forgotten how good some games can be..

    there is a wed hustler ATM.. issue is I am beginning to realize what JCWs been saying about the play there. The good players arent like so awesome.. Its just that the bad players arent that bad..

    I played bike tonight and there were several players over a few hours that had no problem paying me off three streets.. That just generally doesnt happen that often at Hustler.. really too bad considering how much closer hustler is.. but its just not worth it if the games are good..

    that said the idea of paying yourself a salary I think is an excellent idea.. you have a lot of freedom when you play poker for a living and sometimes you loose a little discipline along the way..

    ww
  • UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
    edited June 2014
    My bank accounts are now set up to distinguish bank roll from life roll. Let's hope I can pay myself $40/hr and not make the bankroll account go broke

    Maybe it will work better than my old "all money is the same" system and suck less when I lose a little bit

    But I need some system to make stupid calls and stupid bluffs come out of my pay lol. Otherwise it becomes all about hours with no regard to quality of play
  • JCW Posts: 591Subscriber
    Hey Claire,

    I think most pro suffer though this at times. Here are some thoughts I hope help from my perspective.

    First off, embrace it. You have chosen to be a gypsy so own it. Gypsy's don't' set up camp in one place and live there forever. They move around. Casino games ebb and flow. All it takes is a few players one way or another to change the games at a place. So keep looking around.

    But even when you find a good game realize it will not last. It will turn south at some point as enough people learn of it. And you will have to look around again.

    Most people have to stick to the same place day in and day out because of other responsibilities. They have few options so they make due. But from what I know of you, you don't. You have the freedom of travel.

    Right now I have a son or I would be on the East Coast. I mean seriously, I would be traveling and playing.


    Second, losing sucks. And I too don't get motivated by losing. That's why I suggest playing massive hours when winning. Get those hours in on the upswings.


    If you really are having a hard time going to the casino lately then take a break. Find someplace to go and spend a week or two. I went to an island off of Honduras for four months once to scuba dive and relax. It think it cost about 4k. You don't need to go that extreme but a break helps. And think outside of the box when doing it.


    Well I hope you get motivated because it just sounds like a motivation problem. I am sure when you are loving it you have no problem putting in the hours.
  • HRATMSU Posts: 42Subscriber
    I played in a 1500NL Saturday with a German player with Hendon Mob results going back seven years. He simply follows the good games and tours around the world. That seems like the life. He is probably like 35?. I live in Vegas and play part time. I sometimes enjoy playing "Vegas Regulars" because as Hammah said the play is easy to decipher. That being said nothing beats Vegas during the series. The cash games are crazy with loose players and weekend warriors who come to town with 5-7,000 and expect to lose it. I had a guy just open ship a bluff against me Friday night into my mortal nuts. Does not happen any other time of the year. That being said. The LA game seem better than Vegas games. Never played East Coast. Since I only play part time I don't really say I skip days because be they are unlucky. My big irrational observation is that I never seem to win more than twice in a row in one joint (WSOP cash games excluded).
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