Here is the hand I called in with to Bart. I messed up the action and board a bit on the call and it does have an effect on ranges.
Capped game $60bb buyin...most stacks are around the $200-$500 range.
Villain covers me--he is in his 60s; a bit aggressive with the lead but I've seen him trap with a big hand when he flopped trips earlier. He definitely has A8/K8/Q8/J8/T8 in his range preflop even oop...he's playing lots of hands calling in all positions and splashing around preflop
Was 1 Limp to me in the HJ and I called with 87♠ CO raised to $20, SB call, BB call, MP call and I called
FLOP ($100) A♣ 8♥ 8♦ checked around
TURN ($100) 5♠ checked to me I bet $45, Fold to BB who calls and looks very interested in the hand. Hand is now heads up
RIVER ($190) J♦ BB lead for $55 very confidently...I raise to $115, BB shoves for $220, I tanked and folded...villain claims to have had Q8
Obviously its much different without the K out there and that was the ultimate reason I folded despite getting good odds to call...He never has anything less than an 8 here and my kicker doesn't even play.
Bart's take is that I can never raise fold and should either call off or just call because there's that enticing of odds to call for ourselves but I think here it's a little clearer.