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The Limon Show No 29: Investigation of A Staking House

BartBart Posts: 5,831AdministratorLeadPro
edited August 2014 in The Limon Show podcast
This week Limon grills a few well respected Two Plus Twoers about the supposed successful staking operation that they run out in Maryland.

Episode posts at 2PM ET.

http://www.crushlivepoker.com/podcasts/a-staking-house
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  • terrymaxwell Posts: 31Subscriber
    i kept going back and forth between yelling bullshit! at my computer at thier win rate and then thinking about sending in my application. when it comes down to it though "when it sounds to good to be true, it always is!!!"
  • terrymaxwell Posts: 31Subscriber
    i know u dont want to burn your guest, but i would really like to hear limon and barts honest opion on these guys....is it just run good? bad accounting? or a casino stuck in 2001?
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    terrymaxwell said:
    i know u dont want to burn your guest, but i would really like to hear limon and barts honest opion on these guys....is it just run good? bad accounting? or a casino stuck in 2001?
    I dont care about burning a guest. I keep it real. I have no evidence theyre not honest. Ive never been to that casino. It sounds like a dream, im gonna visit soon.
  • kom Posts: 225Subscriber
    Great episode, again. However, you indicated online that you would, at some point, explain why you never tire of owning morons (such as in the incredibly stupid new Bart Hanson thread on 2p2, which, by the way, demonstrates just how far at least most of that forum has jumped the shark.) There are a vocal minority of confused dudes who seem to enjoy being publicly spanked, and you clearly relish your Big Daddy role more than most would; please don't forget to comment and expand on this relationship you have developed with the forums and their inhabitants. Thanks.
  • DonkieRon Posts: 577Subscriber
    Great show as usual. Win rates seem to be based off of small samples and not very lucid. Seen the Dumpster Joe and Phil Hellmuth hands on Share My Pair so I believe this guy plays big and is a winning player. However, the win rates of the average staked player was answered like a politician.
  • RandalGraves Posts: 26Subscriber
    edited August 2014
    I understand the resistance to believe our win rates. I can speak on my own behalf here. Dude above me touched on it and I admitted on air the my 5/T winrate is a result of running pretty good and also a small <200 hour sample. I didn't even want to reveal what my 5/T winrate was because it is pretty extraordinary due to the aforementioned factors but I assure you I plug every session I play into Poker Income Pro on my iphone and nothing I said was fabricated in any way. My winrate will taper off as I hit a couple rough patches and I will definitely take limon up on his offer of checking in on us in the future to see how everything is going at that point.

    Thanks for listening.
  • workinghard Posts: 1,565Subscriber
    I think Limon is really trying hard to take on the roll of Robo's big brother and Robo is so afraid of embarrassing himself, or perhaps of being an embarrassment to Limon, he retreats into his shell a bit. I hope he gets a chance to do a new interview.
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    edited August 2014
    kom said:
    Great episode, again. However, you indicated online that you would, at some point, explain why you never tire of owning morons (such as in the incredibly stupid new Bart Hanson thread on 2p2, which, by the way, demonstrates just how far at least most of that forum has jumped the shark.) There are a vocal minority of confused dudes who seem to enjoy being publicly spanked, and you clearly relish your Big Daddy role more than most would; please don't forget to comment and expand on this relationship you have developed with the forums and their inhabitants. Thanks.
    I tire of it but i always get a second wind. im just bored and its a fun game at times. lol. youll notice i have 4000 posts in 14 years there so its like once a year I get an itch to go on a rant. prob is some of these dudes are real creepy, get real into me. im always amazed. truth is when i meet some of these dudes IRL we get along fine.
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    workinghard said:
    I think Limon is really trying hard to take on the roll of Robo's big brother and Robo is so afraid of embarrassing himself, or perhaps of being an embarrassment to Limon, he retreats into his shell a bit. I hope he gets a chance to do a new interview.
    im gonna let him run the sesh one night. ill just be a guest.
  • workinghard Posts: 1,565Subscriber
    Good idea. Enjoyed the show.
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,085Subscriber
    Fabulous episode limon! Always keep it real man. :-)
  • PHILtheRUSH Posts: 78SubscriberProfessional
    edited August 2014
    Great episode of the sesh today. Listened to it while at work. I don't think these guys are lying but i think they are embellishing the truth a little.

    I think the most obvious question that no one asked in that whole episode was how many hours were played at these win rates. Everyone just kept saying "small sample size," but how small is the sample size.

    I'm sure Randle is an incredible player, but 170 dollars an hour is just insane at 5-10 if he played 2000 hours. I mean if he played 2000 hours at 170 an hour why the heck is he even staked, he just made 340k lol!! He did say small sample size, so what does that mean... He played 20 hours and made a couple thousand, or he played for a 1000 hours and made 170k.

    A little surprised that no one called in or even thought about asking that question. I wish i was listening to it live, because i would of definitely asked that question.

    Even at a 100 an hour at 2-5NL i would like to see how many hours these guys are playing. 100 an hour at 2-5 is pretty damn good. I've been playing recreationally, and my hourly rate is exceptional at 500 hours, but i know damn well to sustain this rate at 2000 hours is almost impossible.

    With that said, and if these win rates are real at 2000 hours a year. If i was a professional poker player, i would 100% move to Maryland. What is Brandon thinking?? This is like a dream come true. Everyone should try to apply. He has a shot at being staked and being coached by a guy that is making 400 an hour at this game at 2000 hours a year, and he does not want to be staked by that great of a poker mind! PSSH sign me up, i'll quit my job and apply.

    800k is no joke!

    Bart Hanson is probably one of the best live cash game players in the world. (IMO obviously) and i don't think his winrate is nearly that high.
  • Philly Dave Posts: 114Subscriber
    edited August 2014
    I really enjoyed this episode. I know of these guys from 2+2 LLSNL and I can say I noticed a major difference in Randall's strat posts from when he was grinding 1/2 at Borg and now. I can only attribute it to the coaching and poker mentoring he must be getting now.

    I also met one of Chad's former horses at the Borg (I think the one that flaked out). He was def crushing 2/5 pretty well at that time.

    The whole arrangement reminds me of what you (limon) said on one of Bart's old DC podcasts about how online good players can replicate themselves on multiple tables but that can't happen live. It seems at least for a short term that Chad's coaching/staking arrangement is about as close as one might get to that.

    Ovrerstated win rates notwithstanding.
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    I did try to ask about hours and get avg. winrates at different stakes across the 10's of thousands of hours the entire team would have as a whole. They didnt have that info in front of them which is understandable. its a goofy podcast not a deposition. maybe well get some more details in the future. its an interesting story to follow.
  • AesahAesah Posts: 1,048Pro
    am i missing something, or am i the only one here who's even more incoherent than brandon when i just wake up
  • Arenzano Posts: 1,391Subscriber
    Hard to believe some random chick is washing skid marks and cleaning house behind 8 swords for free.

    No way this arrangement turns out good long term.

    Robocop,,,,,, lol,,,, geez
  • Topset1610 Posts: 280Subscriber
    Interesting and good sesh Limon! I think that these guys pretty much told the truth. It is a pretty great idea and Maryland is the place to be doing it at the moment.

    When they talked about win rates they said ranges. For instance Chad said he could average $100 an hour at $2 $5 and one other player. Randy said he has had some good months in the 70-80's implying that his actual hourly is probably $50-60. They also said some people are in the $30's. I do not really think those numbers are that much of a stretch. Also, Randy said he had a very small sample size and ran good in $5 $10 for his $170.

    I play $2 $5 at Maryland Live and there is def enough tables going every day to easily have 9 people playing. They are always running at least 8 $2 $5 tables and 1 $5 $10. Normally a $10 $25. Weekends are 12+ $2 $5 tables, 2-3 $5 $10 and a $10 $25. If you had any type of staggered schedules and off days you could easily run 15 people and not have much overlap.
  • RandalGraves Posts: 26Subscriber
    Arenzano said:
    Hard to believe some random chick is washing skid marks and cleaning house behind 8 swords for free.

    No way this arrangement turns out good long term.

    Robocop,,,,,, lol,,,, geez
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    She's not random. She just really likes us. Cleaned my room (which was a disaster) while I was home in Jersey.
  • Arenzano Posts: 1,391Subscriber
    perhaps, but the price of admission is coming later. Trust me...
  • Philly Dave Posts: 114Subscriber
    Lol screenshotaments
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