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Crush Live Call-Ins No.3: Slowplaying

BartBart Posts: 6,077AdministratorLeadPro
edited September 2014 in Crush Live Call Ins podcast
This week Bart takes a call from Robocop about getting max value with top pair vs a min raise and takes calls about slowplaying.

http://www.crushlivepoker.com/podcasts/a-discussion-of-slowplaying
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  • Lucky Leo Posts: 4Subscriber
    God computers and the internet and stuff, so annoying to deal with. XD
  • quik Posts: 9Subscriber
    Im really not sure what to think about going north. But since you bart say that you dont have a problem with going north, what about the following situation: everybody at the table has about 100-200 BBs in a 200 BB cap game except you. You are running good and have about 500 BBs. A new really good, laggy player sits down on your left and buys in for 200 BBs (the max) and slowly goes north to cover you and really makes your life miserable. What would you do? You cant change the table because thats the only game running.
  • BartBart Posts: 6,077AdministratorLeadPro
    Quik--

    Thats the same scenario if I am in an uncapped NL game and a good player comes to my left and covers me. I would weigh how good the table was in relation to the amount of trouble he may give me and also look for the first chance to move seats. I don't play a capped game because I want the buy in to be restricted I play the $5-10 at Commerce because it has much weaker competition than the $10-20. I am not looking to be protected by the cap. Thats not real NL. And before a casino arbitrarily made up the rule of having a cap no one could possibly fathom the discussion we are having at this time.

    Bart
  • quik Posts: 9Subscriber
    No its not the same as it is in an uncapped game. Here you have the additional option to call over the floor. Here where i play we have just one 5/5 table going with a 2k cap. And changing seats can take a long time since the casino is open from 7pm-2am, so a lot of players play long hours.
  • BartBart Posts: 6,077AdministratorLeadPro
    Obviously you have your own answer to this question.

    No I would never call over the floor. I would treat this situation like an uncapped game. BTW what kind of game is 5-5 2K cap? Whats the point of the cap?

    Also are people at 5-5 really going north from $2000? Most of the discussion that we have about going north here are in severely restricted structures like 100BB or less.

    Bart
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    Maybe i can add something. If you feel the player is significantly better than you and not great for the game Say doesnt say anything. Looks like a pro. Serious. Etc. then tell the floor

    If hes good for the game and not really that much better then i wont say anything

    Bart doesnt feel this way because he is always the best player at the table. :wink:
  • quik Posts: 9Subscriber
    i dont know what the point of the cap is. 2-3 years ago the BI was 400-2k, now it is 200-2k unfortunately. Maybe it's the Swiss government that doesnt allow uncapped games, IDK. And often the game plays more like a 5/10 game. And once a week its a 5/10 game anyways with 400-2k BI.
    It's pretty rare that a player goes north, but mostly because normally the floormen exactly watch how much a player rebuys and if he's 5$ over, he has to take it off the table (you have to get the chips from the dealer at the table OR from any other casino game, but you cant get them at the cashier).
    I had the situation occur that 2 seats to my right was a huuuge fish 3-4k deep and i had about the same and to my immediate left was a good player and he went north to cover the fish (and obv. covered me as well).

    In my example it doesnt really matter if the other player is slightly better or worse, if he's about the same skill level as you, you lose to the player on your left, thats how position works.
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    It depends

    I have played w good players but not so good that they will say fourbet your threebet isos pf the fish. If hes not reraising you or your isos I would rather have the good player on my left because I will get in the pot w the fish and he wont

    But if he is reraising your isos alot then you will have to tighten up alot and even make some plays to get him to stop. Naturally if there were more games I might consider changing tables
  • quik Posts: 9Subscriber
    I know how to adapt in this spot, I've played with the same players for years. My only question was if bart could imagine a situation where he would mind a player going north and would consider telling the floor. When the aforementioned example happened, i wasnt exactly sure if I should stop the player from going north or not. (obv I'm a lazy poker player and didnt do/say anything)
  • BartBart Posts: 6,077AdministratorLeadPro
    quik said:
    I know how to adapt in this spot, I've played with the same players for years. My only question was if bart could imagine a situation where he would mind a player going north and would consider telling the floor. When the aforementioned example happened, i wasnt exactly sure if I should stop the player from going north or not. (obv I'm a lazy poker player and didnt do/say anything)
    To answer your question--no. But again you are bringing something into this discussion that is entirely different, like apples and oranges if you are talking about the difference between going north in say the old Commerce 5-10 $400 cap game and going north in a 5-5 $2k capped game.

    Bart

  • quik Posts: 9Subscriber
    Ok :)
    Why is there a difference? You are "breaking the rules" in the same way.
  • TomBayes Posts: 81Subscriber
    A couple of the riverboat casinos near where I live spread either a $1/$2 or a $1/$3 NL game, both with a $300 cap but with the proviso that you can buy in for up to 70% of the largest stack, i.e. you show up at 10 PM and someone has $1000, you could be in for $700 if you wish.

    My experience is that most players never buy in for more than the $300 cap ($100 or $200 is more common), but when players do the enforcement of the 70% rule ranges from non-existent to ridiculously zealous. One time the big stack had $570, an older regular came in and tried to buy in for $400, and the dealer (who is very slow and generally a poor dealer) held up the game for 5 minutes because 70% of $570 is $399, despite everyone at the table not caring about the extra dollar.

    Why 70% rather than the size of the largest stack? Beats me why that specific percentage was chosen.
  • AesahAesah Posts: 1,048Pro
    edited September 2014
    quik said:
    Ok :)
    Why is there a difference? You are "breaking the rules" in the same way.
    i don't really agree that going north is acceptable, but your argument would apply when comparing murder to jaywalking
  • BartBart Posts: 6,077AdministratorLeadPro
    There is a whole thread about the arguments for and against going north here:

    I take exception to someone saying that going north is a cheater just like I take exception being called a criminal for a parking ticket. http://www.crushlivepoker.com/forums/discussion/3374/going-north-at-1-2-whats-your-opinion/p1

    Bart
  • quik Posts: 9Subscriber
    edited September 2014
    Aesah said:
    quik said:
    Ok :)
    Why is there a difference? You are "breaking the rules" in the same way.
    i don't really agree that going north is acceptable, but your argument would apply when comparing murder to jaywalking
    No, i meant for me there is no difference in going north in a 100bb or a 400bb cap game. But bart said for him there is a difference.

    And i normally dont pay for parking tickets, because its a whole lot cheaper to pay the fines you get once in a while.
  • workinghard Posts: 1,573Subscriber
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