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19ki Posts: 126Member
edited October 2014 in Poker Goals and Challenges
I am currently a 1/2 player and over the last few months I feel like I am getting nowhere. I usually play afternoons at the only casino really good for poker by me. Lately my image there is costing me money. Most players won't tangle with me unless they have great hands, and some almost never will. I have had people sit at my table and immediately ask for a table change, then verbally announce that I always take their money. The irony is I am barely making a profit.

My bankroll is around 4k and the 2/5 game is a 2000 max 200 min buy in. Considering the small size of my roll I am afraid to take a shot at it without playing short stacked but I really need to build a roll.

My options are basically to keep playing 1/2 300 buy in
Take a shot at 2/5 with 500
Or leave my area and go to Vegas or Florida

Any advice would be helpful.
By the way I would not mind going to Florida but I am worried about my bankroll. So I guess I would like to build to 10k first but I am not sure if it is possible at 1/2
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  • BigLarry Posts: 86Subscriber
    I wouldn't be thinking about relocating with a 4k bankroll. I would buy into the 2-5 game for $500 as you stated, that would give you 8 bullets. Hopefully you will get off to a good start and you wont have to look back.

    Forget about trying to build a roll playing 1-2.

    Hope things go well..

    Larry
  • Topset1610 Posts: 280Subscriber
    I mean if you would not mind Florida then why not find a job and move there? The game is supposed to be better. According to all the training and peoples results it is pretty much impossible to build a roll in $1 $2.

    If you are going to move I think you should lock up a job of your current salary at the least before you move.
  • 19ki Posts: 126Member
    BigLarry said:
    I wouldn't be thinking about relocating with a 4k bankroll. I would buy into the 2-5 game for $500 as you stated, that would give you 8 bullets. Hopefully you will get off to a good start and you wont have to look back.

    Forget about trying to build a roll playing 1-2.

    Hope things go well..

    Larry
    Thanks Larry, my only concern with taking a shot at 2/5 is that most of the table will be playing very deep, they buy in full (2000), and at times be playing with 5k to 6k, do you still think short stacking this game with 500 is a good idea
  • 19ki Posts: 126Member
    Topset1610 said:
    I mean if you would not mind Florida then why not find a job and move there? The game is supposed to be better. According to all the training and peoples results it is pretty much impossible to build a roll in $1 $2.

    If you are going to move I think you should lock up a job of your current salary at the least before you move.
    Thanks, I will see if I can find work there before considering the move, and I agree about 1/2, that's why I want to find a place to play that has a smaller 2/5 game, as I said in the above post the one by me plays more like 5/10, this why I am worried about taking a shot at it
  • BigLarry Posts: 86Subscriber
    19ki said:
    BigLarry said:
    I wouldn't be thinking about relocating with a 4k bankroll. I would buy into the 2-5 game for $500 as you stated, that would give you 8 bullets. Hopefully you will get off to a good start and you wont have to look back.

    Forget about trying to build a roll playing 1-2.

    Hope things go well..

    Larry
    Thanks Larry, my only concern with taking a shot at 2/5 is that most of the table will be playing very deep, they buy in full (2000), and at times be playing with 5k to 6k, do you still think short stacking this game with 500 is a good idea

    Yes. If you buy-in for $500 then the stacks in relation to yours will be $500 effective. Dont worry if everyone at the table has you covered. Just play your stack appropriately.

    Larry

  • BartBart Posts: 6,072AdministratorLeadPro
    edited October 2014



    [/quote]Thanks Larry, my only concern with taking a shot at 2/5 is that most of the table will be playing very deep, they buy in full (2000), and at times be playing with 5k to 6k, do you still think short stacking this game with 500 is a good idea[/quote]

    Short stacking is even a better idea when all of the other stacks are deep.

    Bart
  • workinghard Posts: 1,573Subscriber
    Limon has spoken a bit about short stacking PLO where he just buys in small and waits for a strong hand where the other deep players are "forced" to pay you off because they are more worried about the other deep players. A very non-sexy bankroll building strategy might be to short stack the 2/5 game for $200 or whatever you're comfortable with. Then, when you double up, just leave and repeat that a few times until you start to get comfortable playing $500 deep and up and up.
  • 19ki Posts: 126Member
    Thanks, Bart, Larry and workinghard, I am feeling excited for my next session
  • DonkieRon Posts: 577Subscriber
    Yeah I agree short stacking correctly can be a very optimal way to play in deeper or bigger game and build a roll. Play optimal short stack strategy and it is virtually impossible to get out played.
  • EricMartin Posts: 12Subscriber
    19ki, I feel your pain. I have been grinding 1-2 for months now myself and am not getting anywhere. I think the problem is hardly anyone buys in deep, they usually buy in for the min or at most 50bb, so you have to play much tighter than you would like. I am really starting to think I would be better off short stacking 2-5, then buying in deep at 1-2. There are definitely more deeper stacks at 2-5 then there are at 1-2.
  • FreeLunch Posts: 1,311Pro
    Rake almost everywhere in FL is 5+2 . You will not beat that rake at 1-2. The games are really not that much better than other places in the country. In the south the snowbirds are good in the winter but at the $5 game and below the snowbirds are generally the same nitty old men you can play against in the summer wherever you live. Only the bigger games can be a lot better in FL but thats not going to help you. FL is filled with 20 year old grinders from Ohio or YouNameThePlace who moved thinking it was a promised land. Most leave when the realize its not - the rest stay and watch TV on their phone waiting for a hand.
  • 19ki Posts: 126Member
    EricMartin said:
    19ki, I feel your pain. I have been grinding 1-2 for months now myself and am not getting anywhere. I think the problem is hardly anyone buys in deep, they usually buy in for the min or at most 50bb, so you have to play much tighter than you would like. I am really starting to think I would be better off short stacking 2-5, then buying in deep at 1-2. There are definitely more deeper stacks at 2-5 then there are at 1-2.
    Yeah, short stacks are definitely a big part of the problem at 1/2, it stinks when you finally get a big hand and only make 60 bucks, plus they push such a large range it can be tuff to know where you are in a hand at times, they usually give you way ahead, way behind spots. The other issue is they tend to get up once they do have a deep stack.
    I am definitely going to give 2/5 a shot, at the casino I play at, they don't run everyday so I am waiting for prime time to give it a go. Good luck to you if you decide to do the same!
  • 19ki Posts: 126Member
    FreeLunch said:
    Rake almost everywhere in FL is 5+2 . You will not beat that rake at 1-2. The games are really not that much better than other places in the country. In the south the snowbirds are good in the winter but at the $5 game and below the snowbirds are generally the same nitty old men you can play against in the summer wherever you live. Only the bigger games can be a lot better in FL but thats not going to help you. FL is filled with 20 year old grinders from Ohio or YouNameThePlace who moved thinking it was a promised land. Most leave when the realize its not - the rest stay and watch TV on their phone waiting for a hand.
    Thanks, do you think the 2/5 games at the hard rock in Tampa are profitable at all, I have personal reasons for going to Florida outside of poker, so I will probably be going there eventually, any more information about poker there is helpful. Thanks for what you already shared.
  • beauregard Posts: 1,592Subscriber
    19ki said:

    Thanks, do you think the 2/5 games at the hard rock in Tampa are profitable at all, I have personal reasons for going to Florida outside of poker, so I will probably be going there eventually, any more information about poker there is helpful. Thanks for what you already shared.
    I played 2/5 at HR Tampa for a week and a half, and found the games to be uneven.
    In my first 4 sessions (Fri-Mon), I profited 1200+. Then, during the week I gave it all back and then some. [I also began running bad (lost with AA 4 out of 5 times) and made some light river calls that I probably shouldn't have (see NLHE strat for a few of my hands).] Then the next weekend I made most of it back... ending my visit down 200.

    So with my tiny sample size - I think Fridays-Sundays are the best/loosest.

    That said, there are a lot of regs who play 2/5 - I figured about 50% of every table is populated with regs (some are pros, some are just rec players). There are a lot of "gamblers" in the room which make the games profitable. But I've sat at a lot of nitty 2/5 tables too.

    If you play well and know how to hand read, you should be able to beat 2/5 at Seminole HR for a good clip.
  • EricMartin Posts: 12Subscriber


    Yeah, short stacks are definitely a big part of the problem at 1/2, it stinks when you finally get a big hand and only make 60 bucks, plus they push such a large range it can be tuff to know where you are in a hand at times, they usually give you way ahead, way behind spots. The other issue is they tend to get up once they do have a deep stack.
    I am definitely going to give 2/5 a shot, at the casino I play at, they don't run everyday so I am waiting for prime time to give it a go. Good luck to you if you decide to do the same! [/quote]

    Thanks, good luck to you as well. I'm going to take a shot at it this week.
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    19ki said:
    Thanks, Bart, Larry and workinghard, I am feeling excited for my next session
    The key with short stacking is super patience.. You CANNOT call with any implied odds hands.. even most pocket pairs you probably wont be able to call unless its just a single raise to say 20 or 25.. no way with any threebets..

    What you CAN do if you want is do a bit more threebetting with value hands.. you have to be careful its against the people who think you are a nit and will fold anything but a really big hand like AK or QQ+ ... this would be best in a squeeze spot with a looser player who folds and a folder behind him..

    otherwise you have to sit.. and sit.. and sit til you have the right opportunity to play hands in position and raise your top range..


    GL!
  • 19ki Posts: 126Member
    beauregard said:
    19ki said:

    Thanks, do you think the 2/5 games at the hard rock in Tampa are profitable at all, I have personal reasons for going to Florida outside of poker, so I will probably be going there eventually, any more information about poker there is helpful. Thanks for what you already shared.
    I played 2/5 at HR Tampa for a week and a half, and found the games to be uneven.
    In my first 4 sessions (Fri-Mon), I profited 1200+. Then, during the week I gave it all back and then some. [I also began running bad (lost with AA 4 out of 5 times) and made some light river calls that I probably shouldn't have (see NLHE strat for a few of my hands).] Then the next weekend I made most of it back... ending my visit down 200.

    So with my tiny sample size - I think Fridays-Sundays are the best/loosest.

    That said, there are a lot of regs who play 2/5 - I figured about 50% of every table is populated with regs (some are pros, some are just rec players). There are a lot of "gamblers" in the room which make the games profitable. But I've sat at a lot of nitty 2/5 tables too.

    If you play well and know how to hand read, you should be able to beat 2/5 at Seminole HR for a good clip.
    Thanks very much, I appreciate the information, I will end up there soon enough, so I guess they are games I will have to beat, sounds promising, thanks again
  • 19ki Posts: 126Member
    Thehammah said:
    19ki said:
    Thanks, Bart, Larry and workinghard, I am feeling excited for my next session
    The key with short stacking is super patience.. You CANNOT call with any implied odds hands.. even most pocket pairs you probably wont be able to call unless its just a single raise to say 20 or 25.. no way with any threebets..

    What you CAN do if you want is do a bit more threebetting with value hands.. you have to be careful its against the people who think you are a nit and will fold anything but a really big hand like AK or QQ+ ... this would be best in a squeeze spot with a looser player who folds and a folder behind him..

    otherwise you have to sit.. and sit.. and sit til you have the right opportunity to play hands in position and raise your top range..


    GL!
    Thanks, I am no stranger to short stacking, I did it at 1/2 for a while, even though I will be buying in for 100bb, it is still the short stack on this table, your advice is right on, I appreciate it and will follow it, thanks
  • 19ki Posts: 126Member
    So I think I will be giving 2/5 a shot tomorrow, seeming I will be shorter stacked then most of the players do you guys think starting with 300 or 500 is better, reminding you that I am only working with a 4k bankroll
  • FuzzyDunlop Posts: 139Subscriber
    If you're planning on playing a short stack strategy then buy in for the minimum. Playing with 100bb is not short stack poker.

    If you plan on playing a more standard style and are simply wanting to limit your losses then go with 100bb.
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