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The Limon Show No.38: Poker Tournaments And What Is Cheating?

Craig Posts: 723Administrator
edited October 2014 in The Limon Show podcast
This week Abe brings on poker write Darrel Plant to discuss the ability to make money in tournaments. Then Dark Hammah calls in to tell Darrel that he is drunk. Bart makes an attempt to save the show by Skyping in towards the end and Abe and him discuss the definition of cheating as it relates to Phil Ivey and advantage play at casinos.

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  • AesahAesah Posts: 1,048Pro
    edited October 2014
    OK the moment when bart got interrupted literally as he was saying "don't talk over the host" is definitely the best moment in the history of this podcast
  • workinghard Posts: 1,573Subscriber
    I think Limon is trying to test how many callers he can have on the line at once before the podcast turns into a complete clusterfuck. This time he he got up to four. Well done.
  • CJN Posts: 18Subscriber
    Whoa. Classic Poker Sesh

    1. Chris Farley interviews Paul McCartney Saturday Night Live
    2. Zac Elwood
    3. Darrel Plant

    That was enough, but then add a drunk synthesized Calidonk "I like Big Asses".

    OMG. I could not ask for any more .... And then ...

    Dark Hammah arrives to add her own hard core short haired lady opinions.

    Ivey did not cheat. An advantage player was not handled by the Casino
  • CJN Posts: 18Subscriber
    Does Putter like lamb?
  • Lownstarr Posts: 268Subscriber
    Hahaha. It sounds like someone cut up ILCD's previous call and was answering questions off a sound board. Funny stuff.
  • DougFPS Posts: 10Subscriber
    Really Mint?


    Try the lamb in tequila and Hatch Green chili.
    Mint ... typical Californian/Oregonian
  • reedmylipsreedmylips Posts: 1,145Subscriber
    I'm only half way through the episode, but I'd like to respond to this Darrel dude about poker in Portland...

    Darrel could barely explain poker in Portland. He was kind of right, but it was so incoherently explained that I could barely follow, and this is where I play poker! Yes, there is a weird "social gaming" law in Multnomah county where places can't rake poker games, and dealers can't take tips (they are "volunteers"). So instead of rake, the clubs charge $10 door fee and you can play as much as you want that day, rake-free.

    Most places started out 4 or 5 years ago offering just tournaments, like $25-$40 buy-in tourneys starting every two hours or so. A few times a week they'd have bigger buy-in tourneys, like $100. A few times a quarter places would have bigger ones, like $250 with a large guarantee like $40,000. The tournaments are unraked, only the $10 door fee.

    Then, these clubs started offering "shoot-outs" where you would play a 1-table cash game (sort of) and cash out after an hour or two with an "equity chop" meaning you cashed out the direct value of the chips in front of you. If you won, you tipped the dealer, if you lost, you didn't tip. Then they'd start all over again.

    These "shoot-out" cash games were mostly $1-2 NL, buy-in from $100-$200. Then, around 3 years ago, one place started doing $2-5, $200-$500 buy-in. Then, slowly, the "tournament rules" became more lax. People started tipping after each hand. They started allowing straddles. They started letting people keep their stack at the end of each session if they wanted, so they would start the next session with a big stack. Basically, the only thing making them not an actual cash game was that you couldn't leave until the time period was over, and you had to pay your blinds even if you weren't at the table.

    That concept spread to all the rooms in town, and pretty soon the "shoot-outs" became just as popular, if not more so, then the actual tournaments.

    Today, there is $2-5 NL 7 days a week at a club in Portland, buy-in up to $1000. They run every hour, and at the end of the hour, this club makes you cash back down to $1000. You can't tip after each hand, only at the end of the session. Basically they're playing it according to the social gaming rules. They also have $1-2 all the time, and $1-2 BigO twice per week.

    Another popular club in south Portland pretty much only does shoot-outs. There, there is $2-5 NL at least once per week, but they also get a $2-5 BigO/PLO game two night per week.

    Also, there are 2 home games that run on multiple nights per week each. Those are what I mostly play in. They are all BigO and PLO, $2-5, with a 10% rake up to $5 per hand. It's mostly to cover food and beer cost, but it also gives the hosts some profit, which these two hosts need badly as they are two of the worst players in the games.

    If anyone has any questions about poker in Portland, private message me and I'd be happy to answer any questions.

    Chris
  • neverlearn2 Posts: 2,862Subscriber
    Reedmylips. I got some cousins that in Washington that swear to me up and down Portland has the best strip clubs in the US. Better hen Vegas. They said there are so many and so many good looking girls it's crazy how cheap you can get dances for.

    What say you Oregonian?
  • totsdtftotsdtf Posts: 156Subscriber
    edited October 2014
    "fuck it i'm keepin my sixty" is now my twitter location

    also someone needs to explain to me how twitter works
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    workinghard said:
    I think Limon is trying to test how many callers he can have on the line at once before the podcast turns into a complete clusterfuck. This time he he got up to four. Well done.
    the sound quality was bad and thats why it got a little out of hand. when i have good sound quality its easier for me to to control because i know what people are saying.
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    ChrisNewton said:
    Does Putter like lamb?
    he lost his mind for lamb bones.
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    DougFPS said:
    Really Mint?


    Try the lamb in tequila and Hatch Green chili.
    Mint ... typical Californian/Oregonian
    Im growing 2 types of mint so i have to find something other than mojitos to use it for. i like the chile/tequila marinade idea.
  • MarkHe Posts: 1Member
    Long time CLP forum lurker first time poster.

    It is amazing how together Limon and Bart always put out content that is incredibly interesting and valuable. I have been listening since the old free Deuce Plays era and have never been disappointed when the two of them talk one on one. They complement each other in such a way that is extremely unique which leads to a very informative, entertaining podcast.

    I assume that Bart called in at the end of this episode because he thought it might be getting off of the rails, which it was in my opinion, and sparked an interesting conversation about how we all perceive cheating.

    Sometimes I wonder if Bart or Limon think that just because someone may be able to articulate their thoughts in print that they would be good interviewees, which is clearly not the case. And no offense to Darrel Plant or Zach Elwood, as I think both of their literary work is strong, but if they do not have solid confidence in their oral ability they shouldn’t agree to an interview. I don’t think that either one of the hosts asked them tough questions when examining their work during these shows.

    In my opinion, Abe, you should just take calls when you feel like it is necessary and most of the time talk about your life. That is what we are all tuned into hear especially when you and Bart go at it across the different shows as it is pretty apparent that the two of you are close friends.
  • workinghard Posts: 1,573Subscriber
    I enjoyed the guests and thought Zach and Darell had interesting things to say. I think where folks can get put off a little is that when you are well versed in a topic it's hard to speak in absolutes when the subject matter, like poker, does not lend itself to definitive answers. What does put me "on tilt" is when Limon is in the middle of saying something very interesting or insightful and decides at that moment to stop his thought process to take a call from a drunk chronic interrupter or a dude who needs to reaffirm his love for big asses.
  • totsdtftotsdtf Posts: 156Subscriber
    edited October 2014
    is there still no way to delete a post? sometimes i post things when i'm drunk. i guess i have that in common with dark hammah
  • Cross807 Posts: 8Subscriber
    Aesah said:
    OK the moment when bart got interrupted literally as he was saying "don't talk over the host" is definitely the best moment in the history of this podcast
    Followed by Abe's deadpan: "I see a love connection here". That was classic.
  • John302 Posts: 6Member
    AbeLimon said:
    DougFPS said:
    Really Mint?


    Try the lamb in tequila and Hatch Green chili.
    Mint ... typical Californian/Oregonian
    Im growing 2 types of mint so i have to find something other than mojitos to use it for. i like the chile/tequila marinade idea.
    image
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    John302 said:

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    needs a tiny hit of fresh microplaned nutmeg at end. perfect julip.
  • DonkieRon Posts: 577Subscriber
    CaliDonks sound bites was classic but a little too much IMO. Abe you had to be aware that Calidonks responses were sound bites from the other interview. Only Robo could be so naive and oblivious to being duped like this. I think it had to be your creative twist to add comedy or spice up the show. Good attempt but went a little too far.
  • PotHowMuch Posts: 4Subscriber
    I thought Darrel was a fine interview... just that awful audio got in the way :(

    I am embarrassed that I did not catch on that ILCD was a sound board :oops: .. but probably because I know too much ILCD history and him saying the same out of context things over and over again is completely in character ;)
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