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$2-5 NL, Nut Flush Draw OOP

Outlier Posts: 87Subscriber
edited January 2015 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
$2-5 NL game at a Tulsa, OK casino.

Hand action
UTG V1 (~$400) open limps
MP1 V2 (~$400) raises to $15
HJ V3 (~$400) calls
B V4 (~$900) calls
SB Hero (~$500) A 9 calls
BB V5 (~$300) calls
UTG calls

Flop ($85 after rake) T 6 2
Hero checks
V5 checks
V1 checks
V2 (original raiser) checks
V3 bets 25
Everyone calls except BB

Turn ($210) T 6 2 7
Checks to flop bettor, who bets $105
B V4 calls
SB Hero?? (now $410 in pot)

-V1 GIANT spot in the game, totally spewy.
-V2 huge spot who raises hands when he feels like it (in an earlier hand, he snap called a raise next to act in middle position with 63o as well as from the SB with T6dd).
-V3 (flop bettor) new to table. Not spewy, seemed straightforward.
-V4 Vietnamese guy with a big stack covering all of us. Can be really aggressive and is totally willing to put in his stack, but usually announces his intentions early. I think with his action on flop he doesn't have a big hand here.
-I will mostly just fold to a raise a hand like A9s from the SB. I realize the ideal answer is usually FOLD preflop, but because much of the table was playing a very wide range (even to raises), I thought this hand had too much value to fold.
-The table was playing very loose--these players came to play hands, not fold them. Very little fold equity preflop or on the flop, though big bets on the turn begin to dissuade them if they don't improve. All villains are playing their own hands for the most part, but some do have some are aware that players in the blinds could have a wider range and hit a weird two pair on the flop or something.

Question Not sure what the best line was here. Debated during the hand between these three:
1) Check-raising flop and betting turn.
2) Calling flop, check-shoving turn as a semi-bluff (assuming I missed turn)
3) Check-calling flop and turn getting pretty good immediate odds and a decent chance that at least one villain has an inferior flush draw.


  • pokertime Posts: 2,180Subscriber
    3. You have a lot of outs but no hand yet and it's unlikey you have any fold equity.
  • QHealthy Posts: 100Subscriber
    You can't fold A9s preflop you will be drawing to the nuts in a multiway pot, which is good. If the raise was bigger like $25 I might have folded A9s

    Check/raising flop seems like the best option, he doesn't need much of a hand to bet less than a 3rd of the pot. His hand looks like a weak Top pair or a draw. Against that you have good equity. If you just call, it's unlikely you get paid unless he's also got a flush draw because he would have commit very little money in the pot.
  • dgiharrisdgiharris Posts: 141Member
    Usually being aggressive is the best course of action, but I don't think so here.

    Sometimes, the optimal line will to be passive and to just take the draw.

    Whenever we have little to no fold equity however are in a position to draw to the nuts and stack inferior hands AND we are getting great direct and implied odds to do so.... THEN optimal line is going to be to just take the draw and hope to bink.

    We need to bink a heart for the nuts or an 8 for the straight and I think our Ace can be live. So I like our chances and odds. Obviously we want that heart, ideal card would be the 8 so we can get value from other straights and flushes.
  • fishcake Posts: 937Subscriber
    I like c/r flop, you could even just ship. Turn is a pretty standard call given you have no fold equity now.
  • DavidChan Posts: 1,208Pro
    edited January 2015
    I prefer donking $45 on the flop here. I don't think the PFR is going to cbet bluff with so many people in the field, so checking to the raiser isn't going to induce much spew. Because we have the NFD on a good board texture (no paired board and very unlikely that anyone flopped 2pair on T62), I think that we should lead into the field as a Two-Way bet (value against draws, bluff against Ace-highs and pairs). Even if we get called by something like Tx, we can double barrel a lot of good turn barrel cards.

    After we have checked flop and face a small HJ bet and weak call from BTN, I think CR bluffing to $115 is good if we are ranging HJ on mostly weak pairs like 99-77/6x. I doubt that HJ/BTN are going to fold a FD, so this is a great spot to go for a Two-Way Raise (Fold out weak pairs and get value when draws call us). The downside of this play is that we may kick out lower FDs behind us (BB and UTG) that were checking to the PFR, but that's why I prefer donking the NFD in the first place.

  • daniel9861 Posts: 207Subscriber
    edited January 2015
    On the flop I think I like checking and then deciding whether to check/call or check/raise. Since the bettor only bet 1/3 pot on a draw heavy board multiway and button only flatted I would put them both on weak ranges and raise to get them off of middle pair, 77-99, weak top pair, ect. On the turn it seems like the bettor likes his hand on the turn moreso than he did on the flop with his sizing so I think you have much less fold equity now and would opt to just call turn.
  • Outlier Posts: 87Subscriber
    Thanks everyone for the comments. I decided to for a check-raise on the turn as I thought I'd have more fold equity then vs on the flop. I actually got everyone to fold except for the player in UTG who snapped me off with 98. Didn't feel too bad about it as I am never ever going to suspect someone hitting a gut shot and then checking it 5-way on a wet board.
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