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When do you run it twice?

I want to know your feedback on running it twice or three times.

When you and your opponent are both all-in on the flop or turn, your destiny is based on cards to come, and it is a medium or big pot, should I run it twice or three times? (assume we have the option to run it 2 or 3 times, since most home games do that).

Please explain your reason.

Thank You.

Comments

  • FreeLunch Posts: 1,308Pro
    Key fact. Running it twice does not change your long run equity. If you are properly rolled then the only factors that mater are game psychology. Some fish will gamble a lot more if they can run it twice. When that is the case you should chose to run it twice+ all the time for game dynamics. But - if the fish are prone to fold too much to pressure it may be better to not run it twice ever because you can pick up pots when you are the equity dog.

  • khalwatkhalwat Posts: 997Subscriber
    I run it twice whenever anyone wants to. It doesn't change the outcome, it just reduces variance. Whether you're ahead or behind or on a draw or not, it makes no difference in your decision to run it twice/thrice/whatever.

    For home games I'd rather keep the game going, let people have fun sweating all 3 runouts, etc.
  • ANason21ANason21 Posts: 166Subscriber
    Never run it twice. Embrace your variance.
  • GhostDogGhostDog Posts: 328Subscriber
    I run it once, mainly because I rather win the whole pot. Chopping pots is silly to me, and time consuming. Not just the extra cards, but then you get people drawing out the decision when it shouldn't matter. "What do you have?" "I'm ahead so I'll let you decide" I always run it twice with you, now you won't run it twice with me?!"
    Eff that noise! Once and on to the next hand IMHO
  • BartBart Posts: 5,821AdministratorLeadPro
    If you run a home game with rake you should always encourage people to run it once so that the game will keep going. That is where the whole idea of running it multiple times spring out of.

    In NL I rarely run it more than once because I don't want people to try and push me around with draws or call me light because they know I will "run it". PLO is different as the equities run so close in spots and so many people run it that it is rare that it will effect the way anyone plays.

    Limon has a pretty good approach to running it in PLO. Hell always win it heads up but never multiway as it slows the game down to a grinding halt and you are bound to have problems with the math of chopping it up with uneven stacks.

    Running it in PLO8 or big O is the most absurd thing I have ever heard unless you enjoy play five hands an hour.

    Bart
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,085Subscriber
    Bart forgot to mention that in LA and everywhere else I have played they never let your run it more than once in a rake or drop game. Only in a game where you pay time can you run it more than once. There the casino doesnt care because they are getting their money regardless of how many hands are dealt.

    I would almost prefer to have a time game even at 2/5 or 5/5 if you can buy in for 1000. the pots there can also get quite big and reducing variance in a 2000+ pot might not be so bad..

    ww
  • khalwatkhalwat Posts: 997Subscriber
    Bart said:
    If you run a home game with rake you should always encourage people to run it once so that the game will keep going. That is where the whole idea of running it multiple times spring out of.
    I think you said this wrong.
  • reedmylipsreedmylips Posts: 1,145Subscriber
    I always run it twice. Most of the friendly, "fun" players like to run it twice, it keeps them happy. Plus I kinda like the sweat too.

    I HATE three times. Players and dealers fuck up splitting the pot too much, kills the buzz, etc.

    In PLO, when you beat your opponent on a one-board only run-out, it demoralizes them a bit when the equities are close. When you scoop two run-outs, it can send them on bat-shit tilt suicide watch. That's the absolute best.
  • BartBart Posts: 5,821AdministratorLeadPro
    khalwat said:
    Bart said:
    If you run a home game with rake you should always encourage people to run it once so that the game will keep going. That is where the whole idea of running it multiple times spring out of.
    I think you said this wrong.
    Right I meant run it more than once.
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