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Shorthanded Play

JerseyJay Posts: 181Subscriber
edited November -1 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
I had this suggestion for a topic and posted it in the suggestions forum, but wanted to open the subject up for comment in the strat forum as well; Short handed play. I find myself sometimes playing shorthanded 5-5 and 5-10, and feeling pretty good about it because I used to play 6 max on line and can make the standard adjustments; open a little wider, call a little lighter, can push people off hands more because there is less chance someone has something since less people are playing. However, I'd like to hear any thoughts you all have on the live game, especially inadvertently or temporarily shorthanded games. For example, when 4 people are off the table eating dinner or something, and we are left playing 5-6 handed. What can we do to capitalize?

For example, I always thought a good nugget was the concept that at 6 max, you are essentially lopping off early position preflop play, and adjusting your preflop opening range in that UTG+1 is now really the Hi-Jack, since you are 3 off the button.

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  • TDF Posts: 1,130Subscriber
    There is no difference between shorthanded play and full ring where first 4-5 players folded PF.
  • JerseyJay Posts: 181Subscriber
    I disagree. There is a difference between playing in a full ring live game that is temporarilt shorthanded with players used to playing full ring, and a 6 max game where everyone is purposely playing short and is presumably adjusting already. Maybe younare thinking of just preflop hand ranges, which should be very similar to if the first positions folded.
  • TDF Posts: 1,130Subscriber
    How's postflop different?
  • JerseyJay Posts: 181Subscriber
    Because in one game you are playing against full ring players, and in the other you are playing against players that are well versed in shorthanded play. They have different ranges of hands they play, call, raise, and fold with. I mean, im here askng for help, so i clearly dontmknow everythng, but i know theres a difference between playing against a table full of players who are purposely playing shorthanded, and are potentially specialists, versus a bunch of full ring regs who arent adjusting. Do you really not get this? Is this a level?
  • JerseyJay Posts: 181Subscriber
    Lets take an extreme example. Would you play differently heads up post flop versus a heads up specialist, versus against some full ring reg who you happened tomconvince to play you heads up?
  • LucasE Posts: 167Member
    TDF said

    There is no difference between shorthanded play and full ring where first 4-5 players folded PF.
    This is technically accurate but not always true in practice. Players at the table must realize this and adjust accordingly for it to be true in practice. And in reality, at live low stakes games (at least up to 2/5 imo) people are not adjusting, or they are making weird and wild adjustments. We can capitalize greatly be recognizing the odd adjustments our opponents are making and make sure we adjust properly.

    In my (limited) live short hand play I've found people tend to exaggerate their tendencies. I've found guys who play sheriff and look people up light do so more lightly (and more frequently) when play suddenly goes 5-6 handed. They think no one has any hands because everyone seems to be raising more frequently.

    Extremely general advice here - short-hand play is where our range analysis and skill advantage becomes very profitable. Because people are forced into more hands more frequently and not adjusting correctly, we have more and bigger opportunities to seize.
  • TDF Posts: 1,130Subscriber
    Jersey Jay said
    Lets take an extreme example. Would you play differently heads up post flop versus a heads up specialist, versus against some full ring reg who you happened tomconvince to play you heads up?
    We are playing against our opponents ranges and it doesn't matter if we're playing HU or full ring we still need to adjust to exploit their ranges.
  • TDF said

    There is no difference between shorthanded play and full ring where first 4-5 players folded PF.
    This couldn't be further from the truth in the eyes of a huge amount of live players.
  • TDF Posts: 1,130Subscriber
    fishcake said
    TDF said

    There is no difference between shorthanded play and full ring where first 4-5 players folded PF.
    This couldn't be further from the truth in the eyes of a huge amount of live players.
    And that's one of the reasons to why live poker is so profitable.
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