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All in pre vs rec player and ginger who tilts me

1/2/5 PLO in Cincinnati
So it's the middle of the night and I'm already stuck $1000 and there's this ginger who plays every night and has few teeth and talks with an annoying southern accent and he's chubby. Everything about him annoys me. He has potted every hand pre for at 3 rounds and has 3bet pre about 1/3 of the time. Then there's this rec dude who is from out of town playing every hand, albeit passively. Damn they both have me covered. 6 handed
Eff stacks ~500
Rec player raises to 15. I 3bet him to 50 OTB with Ah8h8c7d. Ginger repots again to 165 which pisses me off more. The rec player thinks forever and says" this is my last hand win or lose...I'm all in". I feel like I'm way ahead of these 2 donks ranges because they play 100% so I call all in for ~$1500 3 way all in. Ginger does too(obv)

Thoughts?

Comments

  • chilidog Posts: 2,427Subscriber
    The ace blocker is a plus, but the pair of 8s hurts your equity. I think I'm just folding to the 5bet, especially considering the speech that accompanied it. Of course your equity isn't horrific vs 100% ranges, but I don't think it takes too long to find another hand to go with that can dominate more of their get-it-ranges.
  • reedmylipsreedmylips Posts: 1,145Subscriber
    As played I'd fold. Also, I think you should be flatting this hand OTB. Your hand is an implied odds hand, meaning that most of the time you will not win at SD unimproved, but when you improve, you crush and dominate other hands.
  • BradleyT Posts: 621SubscriberProfessional
    Why would you give up your positional advantage by getting all in pre? Your hand is one that needs position. And while your hand may be right round 33% equity vs thiers - I doubt its much higher - most of that equity comes from favorable boards.
    There are too many bad boards for your hand where you just need to pitch it on the flop.
  • AJoff Posts: 546Subscriber
    http://cardquant.com/making-money-from-madness-mastering-the-maniac-in-plo/

    Don linked this website a while back. This article does a bunch of the math work on what types of hands do well enough for a 3bet (not A887s) against maniacs.

    I might have actually pitched this to the original raise if the Rec player isn't raising that often and you are getting squeezed 100% of the time.
  • RizenRizen Posts: 58Subscriber
    As a karate expert I will not talk about bad beats and running bad. Theres nothing to gain from a victim mentality. However Ginger had QQxx and the rec player showed up with KsJsTc3s. I feel like it was a possible tilts play by me. However I felt like gambling on this particular hand against these two who have been playing 100%
  • reedmylipsreedmylips Posts: 1,145Subscriber
    Rizen said:
    As a karate expert I will not talk about bad beats and running bad. Theres nothing to gain from a victim mentality. However Ginger had QQxx and the rec player showed up with KsJsTc3s. I feel like it was a possible tilts play by me. However I felt like gambling on this particular hand against these two who have been playing 100%
    If you felt like gambling, you felt like gambling, end of story. No biggie, we've all "gambled" from time to time on a hand we shouldn't have (some of us more often than others, mostly speaking of me...). Maybe @Aesah or @Bart haven't, but most of us have stuck it in light for various tilt reasons when we shouldn't stick it in. Just own it, that's all. "I felt like gambling - maybe not the best spot ever, but it's what I did." No biggie.

    So, did you scoop??? :lol:
  • RizenRizen Posts: 58Subscriber
    Regrettably, I did not
  • RizenRizen Posts: 58Subscriber
    Attention CLP subscribers: Dont come to Cincinnati for PLO. Not much selection, action is terrible, games are bad :/
    by 1Dusty
  • Oneup Posts: 30Subscriber
    Steve?
  • RizenRizen Posts: 58Subscriber
    No that's a different guy entirely. He's one of the best players in the entire pool in that area. He's awesome and crushes. He should be playing 5/10 because he's such a beast.
    My name is Raul Ganesh. My friends just call me RG. I'm a little more conservative in my play am just looking to get better. GL at the tables and come introduce yourself to me sometime:)
  • High__Rolla Posts: 775Subscriber
    I don't like the 3bet with this hand IP. To GII 3ways preflop, they need to have top 50% ranges or worse here. Even with top 50%, though, that is just to get break even EV in a super high variance spot. As others said, you are just gambling here (but they do allow that in casinos!)
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