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Weak Tight tilt

GlennJones Posts: 173Subscriber
edited November -1 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
Hi folks. I've been a subscriber to Bart's stuff since the Deuce Plays days. I consider myself a "serious" recreational low stakes player, meaning that I have a full time job, so can only play on weekends. I play 1/2 and 2/3 100BB games in Southern California. While I am a recreational player, I am good enough that when in between jobs, I use my poker winnings to put gas in the car and pay for other entertainment.

So here's my problem. When I find myself in a long drawn out losing session, I start playing weak tight - either going for extended periods of folding (potentially for hours) or if I'm in a pot, only raising nut or near nut hands. Any tips on fighting my inner demons? Thanks!

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  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    Take a break. When you start seeing yourself doing this try getting up from the table and walk around the casino a bit. Get some coffee and just walk it off a bit.. Then if you sit back down and are still playing weak tight then you just need to go home and get a good nights sleep. When I am tired I am def not as aggressive as I normally am when rested. But I also like to play long sessions since I too have a job and can only play a couple of days a week.

    honestly this really isnt the best way to play.. the sooner you recognize this and just take a break or leave the better you will feel about your play.

    ww
  • GlennJones Posts: 173Subscriber
    Thanks Wendy. I'll have to introduce myself the next time I see you at the Bike.
  • TDF Posts: 1,130Subscriber
    Don't force yourself to play more aggressive when you're tired but work on your preparation to the game so you're not getting tired too quickly. Think about eating right, sleeping, excises, all that good stuff. And I wouldn't recommend coffee.
  • In one sense you are lucky that when you tilt you tighten up rather than spewing off and trying to force things to happen. The other positive is that you are aware of your mental state and where you are off your A game. Since you're not using poker as your main income, you do have the option to quit when you're not playing well and not enjoying yourself. If you find you are asking yourself, "Why am I here? This isn't any fun." Then leave.

    I definitely agree that I make my biggest mistakes when I am tired, hungry and cranky. Make sure you stay away from the tables in that state.
  • UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
    I don't think playing a little weak tight is necessarily a bad thing when you have a bad image. For the reason that when you're losing, people give you less respect so you should be making less moves.
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    Claire said

    I don't think playing a little weak tight is necessarily a bad thing when you have a bad image. For the reason that when you're losing, people give you less respect so you should be making less moves.
    You make a good point.. I think its all related to HOW weak tight you are playing.. A little isnt so bad but if it keeps getting more and more weaker and tighter then at some point its beyond say your "B" game and turns into your "C" game and time to leave. I honestly play way long sessions.. always have and I can see how getting more and more tired I get less and less aggressive..

    Only each of us knows when we have crossed the line and its at that point its just better to go home..

    ww
  • UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
    A tight passive kind of play is actually ok for this kind of "tilt". When I do it, I just consider it adjusting for image (although I'd usually rather just get a table change). When you hit, you're more likely to get paid off, and making moves in certain spots is -EV when you don't get credit

    It's the loose passive kind of weak tight that you don't want. You don't want to be flatting a whole bunch of raises with implied odds hands and chasing draws, not semi-bluffing, always folding when you miss. If this happens, just remind yourself that you're allowed to fold 78s to a single raise when you won't be able to win the pot if you miss.
  • JCW Posts: 591Subscriber
    Make a seat change at the table. Changing seats is a very important move that nobody really thinks about.

    Whatever seat you are in dictates how the action gets to you. It has a huge impact on your perspective on the game and the players. There are also blind spots at the table (i.e. seat 4 has a hard time seeing seat 6, seat 1 and 9 vs each other).

    Sometimes we don't focus as much on players once we fold until after the flop or the pot gets big. Changing seats changes your focus.

    With action always getting to you the same, the game can start to get boring. When you first sit down it isn't boring?

    I really have found that moving around the table and change seats (along with breaks on and off the table) keeps me focused. It keeps the game fresh because it gives you a fresh perspective on the action. So many times I see people in the "perfect" seat right behind their target. They feel they cannot move because the have the best seat in the game. Meanwhile, they are getting crushed. Move seats. Perhaps your target isn't as bad or has the leaks you think he does. Perhaps he is playing spewy because he is playing against his target but playing you ABC. Perhaps a million things you didn't notice....

    I personally change seats anytime I am...

    1. Not winning (and feel like I should).
    2. Losing Focus.
    3. Having a hard time figuring out a player or need to see a player better.
    4. And the standard, I want to get position on some one.

    Some nights it means I make 1-2 in a long session. I have made over 10 seat changes in a few hours. Sometimes returning to a seat.


    PS. If you tell everyone that you are looking for a lucky seat and that poker is all about finding lucky seats, everyone will just ignore your antics and write you off as a tool.
  • GlennJones Posts: 173Subscriber
    JCW said
    PS. If you tell everyone that you are looking for a lucky seat and that poker is all about finding lucky seats, everyone will just ignore your antics and write you off as a tool.
    I like it! Laugh
  • UntreatableFPS Posts: 1,004Subscriber
    Whenever I'm frequently changing seats for strategic reasons (or to get out seats 4-6 because I just hate those), I use the lucky seat excuse. The regs know I'm FOS but usually won't be pricks and call me out on it.
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