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The Grind Poker Podcast No.5: Toughening Your Mental Game And Understanding Tilt

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In the fifth episode of The Grind, host Rob Farha takes you through his approach to the mental game in poker and how he prevents his own tilt from negatively impacting his play.

Episode post at 11AM PT.

http://www.crushlivepoker.com/podcasts/toughening-your-mental-game-and-understanding-tilt
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  • RecreationalRogerRecreationalRoger Posts: 789Subscriber
    Hey Rob,

    Boy do I need this one. If you don't cover the following in this podcast, if you could touch on it in the future that would be great.

    I am a winning 2-5 recreational player. I don't tilt too often, but when I do, its either from being card dead for hours on end (due to life obligations my sessions are only usually about 3-4 hours tops, so it sucks to be card dead for 2-3 hours); plus my bigger one is winner's tilt - if I get way up in a session, I get too loose, too cocky, and also start bluffing too much trying to run over the table.

    Any thoughts on these topics in an upcoming podcast would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks,

    Roger
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    lol perfect timing for me!!! lol. :wink:
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    RecreationalRoger said:
    Hey Rob,

    Boy do I need this one. If you don't cover the following in this podcast, if you could touch on it in the future that would be great.

    I am a winning 2-5 recreational player. I don't tilt too often, but when I do, its either from being card dead for hours on end (due to life obligations my sessions are only usually about 3-4 hours tops, so it sucks to be card dead for 2-3 hours); plus my bigger one is winner's tilt - if I get way up in a session, I get too loose, too cocky, and also start bluffing too much trying to run over the table.

    Any thoughts on these topics in an upcoming podcast would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks,

    Roger
    card dead for two or three hours? how about pretty much for 250 hrs??? thats what it has been for me.

    getting super nutty hands every so often with basically never getting top pair top kicker or always having overcard flop or always getting resistence
  • BradleyT Posts: 621SubscriberProfessional
    Best one yet, Rob. And that's saying a lot because I've really enjoyed all of them.
  • RobFarha Posts: 191Pro
    BradleyT said:
    Best one yet, Rob. And that's saying a lot because I've really enjoyed all of them.
    Thank you! I think this one is the best one as well, was very happy with how this came out.

    Will address the winners tilt question either next podcast intro or when I'm not on my phone.
  • Lauz Posts: 95Subscriber
    Always look forward to these. As a fellow mid-20s grinder, it's nice to learn from the experience of someone who started my same journey a few years earlier.

    The poker world has a wide variety of people my age, from the (maybe broke) "pro lag" dudes that post 8k 2/5 sessions all the time and party 5 nights a week, to the iPad OFC playing, non-talking, poker obsessed, life-nit nerds; All different types of people can post a profit at this game. It's very hard to find someone I can relate to, but you're definitely as close as I've come.

    Occasionally I feel, for lack of a better phrase, out of place. Many of the people I play with on a daily basis either let poker completely rule their life and think about it 24/7, or are just lifetime degenerate gamblers who are involved in all kinds of other shady stuff outside the poker room.

    It's nice to hear from someone who manages to live a 'normal' life while making a good living beating cash games. These podcasts and your 2+2 thread have helped a great deal with keeping me enjoying poker and seeing it as something for me. So thanks Rob!
  • RobFarha Posts: 191Pro
    edited April 2016
    RecreationalRoger said:
    Hey Rob,

    Boy do I need this one. If you don't cover the following in this podcast, if you could touch on it in the future that would be great.

    I am a winning 2-5 recreational player. I don't tilt too often, but when I do, its either from being card dead for hours on end (due to life obligations my sessions are only usually about 3-4 hours tops, so it sucks to be card dead for 2-3 hours); plus my bigger one is winner's tilt - if I get way up in a session, I get too loose, too cocky, and also start bluffing too much trying to run over the table.

    Any thoughts on these topics in an upcoming podcast would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks,

    Roger
    Here's what I think might be contributing to your issues -

    When you're planning on playing (relatively) short sessions of 3-4 hours, you just need to understand that that's your plan and with that, you're probably never going to run up a gigantic stack in that timeframe. You also need to accept that a lot of the time in live poker, over a four hour span nothing interesting happens. I take a lot of pride in those breakeven card dead sessions where I DON'T try and force the action and hit a home run when the game only lets me a hit a single. Take the single.

    I think given your short sessions, you may be trying to force too much action in unnecessary situations.

    I actually had winner's tilt written down in my notes but never touched on it and thought "yeah this probably isn't that big of an issue", first comment - boom... lol

    I think your winner's tilt probably ties into what I was talking about in podcast 2 where sometime we have a desire to project an invincible image and have people think we are unbeatable and capable of all sorts of things.

    In live poker it's not really necessary to create a bunch of headaches for ourselves.

    When I play live, I never count my stack unless I'm deep with someone else in a hand. I generally have an idea of how much I have, but I never double check my phone and try to realize whether I'm up 400 or 500, how much am I in for, how am I doing this week, etc.

    So to counter your issue with splashing around with "house money", don't think of yourself as being up a bunch. Just focus on the game and continue using logic as opposed to concerning yourself with superficial factors like how much we're up, how people view us etc.

    It's all one long session. The $200 mistake you made while you're up $500 costs you the same amount as the $200 mistake you made when you were down $500.
  • RobFarha Posts: 191Pro
    lauxen said:

    Occasionally I feel, for lack of a better phrase, out of place. Many of the people I play with on a daily basis either let poker completely rule their life and think about it 24/7, or are just lifetime degenerate gamblers who are involved in all kinds of other shady stuff outside the poker room.

    It's nice to hear from someone who manages to live a 'normal' life while making a good living beating cash games. These podcasts and your 2+2 thread have helped a great deal with keeping me enjoying poker and seeing it as something for me. So thanks Rob!
    I feel the same as well. There's numerous times a week I feel like I'm on a different planet inside the casino.

    Thanks for the kind words.
  • RecreationalRogerRecreationalRoger Posts: 789Subscriber
    RobFarha said:


    Here's what I think might be contributing to your issues -

    I take a lot of pride in those breakeven card dead sessions where I DON'T try and force the action and hit a home run when the game only lets me a hit a single. Take the single.

    When I play live, I never count my stack unless I'm deep with someone else in a hand. I generally have an idea of how much I have, but I never double check my phone and try to realize whether I'm up 400 or 500, how much am I in for, how am I doing this week, etc.

    It's all one long session. The $200 mistake you made while you're up $500 costs you the same amount as the $200 mistake you made when you were down $500.
    Rob

    The whole post was great but wanted to call out the super key thoughts for me to takeaway. I am especially super guilty of knowing to the penny at any point in the session how i am doing and will try to get away from that.

    Thanks for taking the time out of your day to provide such a detailed answer to my question. Love the podcast keep up the great work!

    Roger
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,090Subscriber
    eek. yeah dont worry about how you are doing to that extent I usually know within a hundred or two

    I am a serious rec player and although I am much better than I used to be when too many bad beats or lack of value comes in a short period of time. thats what gets me I also feel that I am more sensitive to this kind of tilt because of my genes. I suspect that many pros that have attitudes like robs or barts just arent that affected by this

    It also wouldnt surprise me that rob bart and other "pros" on this site are also not as affected with variance.

    I understand the math. but it still gets to me if like for the last 6 weeks playing NL I have had very few value hands and I always feel like I am getting run over

    good thing I have a good job. and good thing I can play other games
    :wink:
  • irwinbetirwinbet Posts: 408Subscriber
    RecreationalRoger said:
    plus my bigger one is winner's tilt - if I get way up in a session, I get too loose, too cocky, and also start bluffing too much trying to run over the table. Any thoughts on these topics in an upcoming podcast would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Roger
    I think there's a fine line between winner's tilt & taking advantage of the good image that comes with having a big stack. I know I will start opening my range up if I've been on a little heater, especially if someone at the table is commenting on it or my stack. I love when a rec player sits down & acts impressed by a big stack. To me that pretty much is waiving the flag for me to pick on them with bets & raises. It's important to know when to put the breaks on though because eventually they will get a hand or start playing back.

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