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ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,086Subscriber
edited April 2016 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
first or second hand of new game. effective stacks are $1000


i am in bb. limps 3 ways to vil in sb and he raises to 20. i just felt he couldnt be that strong with that sizing. i see A♥Q♥ and decide to 3 bet to 80. folds back to him and he calls pretty quickly. pot $180 ish

flop A♣ K♥ K♠.


he checks. i guess i felt i was now in a wawb situtation so to get more value later by disguising my hand i checked behind

Turn. 6♥. he checks again. i bet 90. he doesnt think too long and calmly raises to $190. I tank and call. pot $560

river. brick. he bets $315 calmly and pretty quickly. not. snap bet but didnt tank at all.



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  • Rocketman74Rocketman74 Posts: 451Subscriber
    I prefer betting the flop to get value from sticky pairs and gutshots. I also like to buy up the small amount of equity he has and not let him freeroll another street and hit a set. That said, I don't hate the check.

    OTT what do you think he's x-raising with that checked twice and basically min-bumped it out of the SB? I guess he can have a smaller ace but I wouldn't count on it. I think the turn is a fold facing an aggressive action from an unknown

    OTR his pacing makes me curious and you're getting 2.7-to-1. I know Bart says that 'the fact that he bet is what changed OTR' (and it is a good mantra) I think you made your bed OTT.

  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,434Subscriber
    unknown vs unknown highly unlikely he is bluffing you. Take the average typical player at that casino and that is what you have to label him as. Your hand can easily be KK or AA or AK by the flop check and the turn bet/call. He is OOP so you REALLY think he is betting that river as a bluff when you 3b another unknown?

    He is just not making this kind of play on another unknown.

    Also his turn min-raise screams pay me.

    But yea I would bet the flop. Pairs will look you up one street. Then you can check the turn and possible induce a bluff. Note you have the AhQh so he isn't making a move with a FD.

    His quick betting signifies he has an easy to play hand that requires no thought. If he is a nut job I can see him doing this with AJ or AQ because he is clueless but very unlikely you happen to run into a player like that.
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,086Subscriber
    so guys. based on my preflop sizing read of small raise into multiple ppl oop change his range for you?
  • iamallin Posts: 1,173SubscriberProfessional
    You have the bdfd covered. So what is he bluffing with on the turn?

    Is he over playing an ace? May be on the turn. But most players wouldn't bet that sizing on the river with just an ace into the preflop 3 bettor.

    Seems like we can make a disciplined fold here.
  • Profexus Posts: 1Member
    Once you check back the flop, I don't see how you can fold the turn or river. I would expect to see a spazz with suited connectors, or a lower pocket pair trying to get you to fold JJ or QQ pretty often. He has exactly two combos of AK, both of which 4bet at least sometimes oop. and if he's flatting a 4x 3-bet with KQ good for him. The only hand I'd be afraid of would be the three combos of 66. That just isn't a wide enough value range to be folding top top in a 3 bet pot when you check back the flop.
  • MrFizzbinMrFizzbin Posts: 356Subscriber
    edited April 2016
    Is he raising 20, into the field from OOP with 66 then calling another 60 ? I don't think so.

    I guess my question is, how often do you run into guy that play hard against you because you are female, and they think they can push you around ? is this one of those situations ? if not I have to think he has a K in his hand, or he's hugely overplaying an Ace.
  • LesterDiamondLesterDiamond Posts: 152Subscriber
    Was he leaning into the table?
  • TaintBDTaintBD Posts: 244Subscriber
    I say fold. Overplayed A may CR Turn, but will not value bet River with paired board, so you must be beat
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,086Subscriber
    [quote="LesterDiamond;75270"]Was he leaning into the table?[/quote

    no]

  • stayinschool Posts: 2,969Subscriber
    Like the 3 bet a lot

    Think flop is a bet, if we want to check back we can do it with worse Ax here or a hand like QQ, JJ.

    Can never fold turn.

    I'm calling because, while I don't think this is a bluff that often I do think worse Ax is possible and it's a little hard to believe he plays a K this way.

    *If you can't remember it's fine but rather then saying river is a brick try and write down the exact card because it does matter a little.
  • ThehammahThehammah Posts: 7,086Subscriber
    So I guess I have to chalk this up to some kind of live read.. I just felt he was the type of player to raise more from the sb when he will be opp the rest of the hand with a better hand.. Thats why I 3 bet him pre..

    Again on the flop I felt that if I bet he would just fold. but he COULD have a king or a worse ace.. So I decided to play a little fps/disguise/futurevalue to check behind. I mean other than him having a gutter or a 2 outer I had a hammerlock on the hand so I decided to play it a little backwards..

    So when the turn comes my fourflush card now of course I am going to bet. His raise does look very strong but again I just FELT he was capable of making this play. weird since I have never played with him before.. His raise was also rather small. so I also felt he could have a worse ace.. I mean wouldnt he just bet a king? how can he expect me to bet with the ace on board when I checked behind??

    so when all the draws bricked and based on my read from preflop he either had to have a king a worse ace or a bluff. So I tanked but called saying something like "I play bad" and he said

    Spoiler:
    "your good" the best words in poker.. All I can tell you is that there was just something with this guy. The reg next to me then tells me this guy is a HUGE spot in the game. binked a couple of big tournies recently and is a complete fish. He also raised different amounts depending on what he had.. BIG meant middle pairs..tiny meant weak connectors...standard meant good hands..lol.. he eventually went broke.. of course..
  • Letmewin1 Posts: 1,238Member
    edited April 2016
    Thehammah said:
    So I guess I have to chalk this up to some kind of live read.. I just felt he was the type of player to raise more from the sb when he will be opp the rest of the hand with a better hand.. Thats why I 3 bet him pre..

    Again on the flop I felt that if I bet he would just fold. but he COULD have a king or a worse ace.. So I decided to play a little fps/disguise/futurevalue to check behind. I mean other than him having a gutter or a 2 outer I had a hammerlock on the hand so I decided to play it a little backwards..

    So when the turn comes my fourflush card now of course I am going to bet. His raise does look very strong but again I just FELT he was capable of making this play. weird since I have never played with him before.. His raise was also rather small. so I also felt he could have a worse ace.. I mean wouldnt he just bet a king? how can he expect me to bet with the ace on board when I checked behind??

    so when all the draws bricked and based on my read from preflop he either had to have a king a worse ace or a bluff. So I tanked but called saying something like "I play bad" and he said

    Spoiler:
    "your good" the best words in poker.. All I can tell you is that there was just something with this guy. The reg next to me then tells me this guy is a HUGE spot in the game. binked a couple of big tournies recently and is a complete fish. He also raised different amounts depending on what he had.. BIG meant middle pairs..tiny meant weak connectors...standard meant good hands..lol.. he eventually went broke.. of course..
    Another one bites the dust.
    Cooler!
  • sxz18 Posts: 345Member
    edited April 2016
    LesterDiamond said:
    Was he leaning into the table?
    Obviously not since he was bluffing.
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