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($5/$5) AA Slowed IP, RIVER DECISION, CALL or ALL IN???

ZambrotAZambrotA Posts: 372Subscriber
$5/5 nlhe cash game, normal dynamic as Hero just got to the table 10 minutes before this hand happened.

Hero: $500, A A ♠️ , BT, image is neutral, i just got to this table 10 minutes ago.

Villain, $900, BB, Unknown Asian on his 30s, Reg at this casino, i know that because i saw him the next couples days i played there. He looks competent but i’m not sure.


Pre-Flop: Action folded to Hero who open raises to $20 on the BT, SB folds V flats on the BB.

FLOP: $40, HU, 2 3 ♦️ 5

V checks , H bets $25, V now check/raises to $75, H calls.

“So here i decided to flat in a trapping way to be honest, i mean, kind of to let him hang himself with the intention of maybe shove turn if he bets depending what comes, as i’m IP.

Do you think it’s worth it to click it back here, like reraising to ~ $180/$220?
1). Thoughts? what would you do?

TURN: $190, HU, 2 ♠️

(we have $405 effective now)

V now bets $125 and H flat calls after thinking for 30 seconds.

“ Here again i flat thinking that the board is so good that i don’t want to lose V now and for some reason i felt he was weak, kind of way ahead way behind, or he beats me with FH or i have him crushed.

Imo if i didn’t raise flop i shouldn’t raise here often, Do you agree?
2). Thoughts ??

RIVER: $440, HU, 7 ♣️

(we are now $280 effective)

Villain bets $135…

Board 2 3 ♦️ 5 2 ♠️ 7 ♣️

Pot now $575, $135 to call, leaving $145 behind.

HERO??
3). Thoughts??
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  • Letmewin1 Posts: 1,238Member
    you're thought process/logics is all over the place, take a step back try to understand what you're trying to accomplish with what ever action you decide on, you can't state that you think he's weak then that you're afraid that it's a WA/WB.
    You wanted to raise turn to GII, what stopped you?
    The 2x didn't change much of board texture you had a plan, and..??

    AP
    Flop I could go either way, board is wet and I could see raising for value from draws and some PP, I don't think he'll have hands like JJ-KK as I think those would 3! Pre at a high frequency, unless he's was was trying to trap you.
    Once you flat flop I don't think I'm raising turn ( could be wrong here, wouldn't be the first time) as I think if he's draw heavy or smaller pairs hell fire OTR again.
    River- meh, there's no FE and I don't think we need any with our under repped hand, so the question comes down how many value hands do we beat or better question is how many worse value hands will call our shove?
    Another question that we should be asking is that if he's under bluffing to get you off Axhh then what would be the point of shoving if he has hands like KQhh KJhh etc etc that he's never calling a shove with?
    I think shoving is best only because how you got to this river with your hand and he might call off with like 99 or something, again could be wrong so let's wait for other opinions.

  • dpbuckdpbuck Posts: 1,989SubscriberProfessional
    I'm usually getting another bet in on the flop. Villain has enough overpairs, draws, and combo-draws that you're ahead a lot of the time. With your gutter and the A to fall back on, I'm probably getting it in on this flop. I think there are a lot of scare cards that can come on the turn and shut villain down. Let's get him committed now.

    With stack sizes as they are, I think I'm getting it in on the turn, too. You're not getting any more from his air regardless of what you do, so let's maximize value against his draws and overpairs.

    Did villain look at your stack before betting $135? Or did he just bet "what feels right" regardless of effective stacks? This feels more like a bet that is slightly more than the turn bet, rather than a bet of half the remaining stack. You've underrepped your hand a little bit, but I think I probably just call here rather than raise. I feel like there's not enough you beat that will call that raise, plus you get the added benefit of not having to show your hand if you are beat. Tricky spot!

  • ZambrotAZambrotA Posts: 372Subscriber
    Letmewin1 said:
    you're thought ...you're afraid that it's a WA/WB.
    You wanted to raise turn to GII, what stopped you?
    The 2x didn't change much of board texture you had a plan, and..??

    AP
    Flop I could go either way, board is wet and I could see raising for value from draws and some PP, I don't think he'll have hands like JJ-KK as I think those would 3! Pre at a high frequency, unless he's was was trying to trap you.
    Once you flat flop I don't think I'm raising turn ( could be wrong here, wouldn't be the first time) as I think if he's draw heavy or smaller pairs hell fire OTR again.
    River- meh, there's no FE and I don't think we need any with our under repped hand, so the question comes down how many value hands do we beat or better question is how many worse value hands will call our shove?
    Another question that we should be asking is that if he's under bluffing to get you off Axhh then what would be the point of shoving if he has hands like KQhh KJhh etc etc that he's never calling a shove with?
    I think shoving is best only because how you got to this river with your hand and he might call off with like 99 or something, again could be wrong so let's wait for other opinions.

    So my intention was maybe to shove on the turn but with his bet of $125 ($190) and with this specific turn , and by the way, with the size that the pot was getting for the river, i decided to flat again. I kind of changed my mind.

    About "WA/WB" i have no idea what that means, let me know if you don't mind please @letmewin1

    About flop, ok, about turn i agree and it's what I thought as I mentioned above. (One of the reasons at least)

    About what hands do i want to get valie from, 99-JJ, sometimes QQ or even KK very unlikely OOP but still possible. (Trappy way)

    About him being under bluffing to get me folding AX ❤️ ❤️ , in my opinion it's too many levels for this $5 bb game.

    About the shove i agree 100%, mostly bc of the famous BH's "reverse implied odds", being very hard to fold.
    Results i PM you.

    Thank you for now...
  • ZambrotAZambrotA Posts: 372Subscriber
    dpbuck said:
    I'm usually getting another bet in on the flop. Villain has enough overpairs, draws, and combo-draws that you're ahead a lot of the time. With your gutter and the A to fall back on, I'm probably getting it in on this flop. I think there are a lot of scare cards that can come on the turn and shut villain down. Let's get him committed now.

    With stack sizes as they are, I think I'm getting it in on the turn, too. You're not getting any more from his air regardless of what you do, so let's maximize value against his draws and overpairs.

    Did villain look at your stack before betting $135? Or did he just bet "what feels right" regardless of effective stacks? This feels more like a bet that is slightly more than the turn bet, rather than a bet of half the remaining stack. You've underrepped your hand a little bit, but I think I probably just call here rather than raise. I feel like there's not enough you beat that will call that raise, plus you get the added benefit of not having to show your hand if you are beat. Tricky spot!

    About the flop, I don't mind the 3bet, by the way, I'm huge proponent of fast playing then i agree 100%.
    About the "click it back" you didn't mention it so I'll ignore it for now.

    Same on the turn , just thought i likely had him crushed and decided to flat again. But again, shoving turn i have nothing against it.

    Answering to your question, V looked but very fast, then grapped the chips and bet not taking much time.

    About river i prefer the shove but can't blame you for flatting bc anyway you weren't there, you didn't play it, it's hard sometimes to put yourself on the V's position.

    I'll PM you the results.

    Thank you


  • ZambrotAZambrotA Posts: 372Subscriber
    Here @Bart
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,302Subscriber
    edited May 2016
    Really interesting. What hand does he CR the flop, bet the turn, then DOESNT shove the river?! If the V is semi-competent then he is reading your hand, bet, and should realize he has one play left.

    So I dismiss a boat or quads. Your CB looks really weak BTW.

    I think you have to call. This could be 64s scared of a boat but still I discount this as he should be shoving. It could be some goofy call with 53s that got counterfeited and now this is an irritation blocker bet. But more likely I think it might be a hand like JJ or TT who maybe is scared betting or trying to get value from Ace high. With the bet and pot size..... I think I would shove here. He would be getting such amazing odds to call. I can't see him laying down TT.

    It could also be a hand like 43hh or 63hh and he is giving a half ass bet on the river as a bluff attempt.
  • maphacks Posts: 1,994Subscriber
    After the flop x/r I doubt villain has many overpairs. It's buvsbb. Ofc the worse the opponent the more overpairs hr could play as xr but against unknown I assume he is flushdraw and set/straight heavy.

    Against that range I think calling flop is by far the best. 3betting is an overplay.
    Turn 2 changes things. We are now pretty far ahead against draws and sets are a bit less likely. I would shove with those stacksizes.

    When he bets so small OTR I change my mind and just assune he is a bad player who overplays 66-TT and blockbets now. I would raise allin not expecting to get folds or be beat often
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