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"Leveraging my stack" or just a spew

Tom H Posts: 45Subscriber
edited May 2016 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
2/5nl at Graton Casino. Morning game. $350 eff.
Villian 1: Older active player. Would bet/raise hard with nuts.
Villian 2: Well established loose-aggressive.
I'm unsure what my image is today. Game has been going only 90 min. I lost a big pot to quads, but other hands were standard stuff. My opinion is that most at the game are not level two thinkers.
V2 limps, TAG limps, I raise to $25 with AJcc, V2 calls as do other two.
Pot $100
Flop: As 9d 3d

V2 checks, TAG checks and I bet $60. V2 says "I was going to bet $65" and calls. Gets back to V2 who jams for $250. TAG folds. I have been in this spot before with V2. This is a flush draw at best. Easy call, but what of V1? From experience he does not have a set, two-pair, or probably even AK but this one I'm less sure, and I can't assume or hope he shows up here with A10. I decide to put my remaining $320 in on a re-raise to maximize a show of strength.
Is this correctly known as "Leveraging my stack"? Is this the sort of spot to employ this move? Is this standard? Is this just a spew?
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  • GJacobsGJacobs Posts: 53Subscriber
    I would just do "a little early street hand reading" as Bart says and ask myself is V1 ever limping AK AQ and if the answer is no and we don't think he is slowplaying a set or 2 pair on a board like this then getting the money in here seems pretty much a no brainer even with him to act behind you. I would however be a little cautious myself saying something like V2 "this is a flushdraw at best" since given his stacksize and the action before him i would imagine he is shoving all his range including A3 A9 33 which obviously have us in pretty awful shape although i agree there are more combos of flushdraw than made hands. My last comment would be someone saying something like "I was going to bet 65" is almost never the nuts since someone with the nuts doesn't want to advertise they are strong so a comment like this usually means a medium strength hand that is hoping to slow you down a bit by sounding strong. Just my 2cents worth (perhaps worth less but hope that helps)
  • maphacks Posts: 1,992Subscriber
    Did v1 or v2 shove?
  • Amicus Posts: 190Subscriber
    edited May 2016
    There's no such thing as "leveraging your stack" when you have 70BB. You're way too short for threatening stacks to feel like a threat. If you call the $250, you're basically committed anyway.

    "Leveraging your stack" would be threatening a 300BB $1500 stack when you only have to raise to $500 in this spot. Then, it's awkward for the guy to call because he'll expect you to ship the turn for the rest of your stack which will be less than a pot sized bet.
  • Tom H Posts: 45Subscriber
    coolhandsluke said:
    I would just do "a little early street hand reading" as Bart says and ask myself is V1 ever limping AK AQ and if the answer is no and we don't think he is slowplaying a set or 2 pair on a board like this then getting the money in here seems pretty much a no brainer even with him to act behind you. I would however be a little cautious myself saying something like V2 "this is a flushdraw at best" since given his stacksize and the action before him i would imagine he is shoving all his range including A3 A9 33 which obviously have us in pretty awful shape although i agree there are more combos of flushdraw than made hands. My last comment would be someone saying something like "I was going to bet 65" is almost never the nuts since someone with the nuts doesn't want to advertise they are strong so a comment like this usually means a medium strength hand that is hoping to slow you down a bit by sounding strong. Just my 2cents worth (perhaps worth less but hope that helps)
  • Tom H Posts: 45Subscriber
    Thanks, all good points. I have many sessions over the years from which to draw concerning V2. The next time he jams in this spot will be the first time I will have witnessed it - he is that unbalanced here.
  • Tom H Posts: 45Subscriber
    maphacks said:
    Did v1 or v2 shove?
  • Tom H Posts: 45Subscriber
    Crap, I did proof read and still missed that mistake. Sorry. V2 was the LAG who checked/jammed.
    V1 made the comment and called my Flop bet.
  • Tom H Posts: 45Subscriber
    Amicus said:
    There's no such thing as "leveraging your stack" when you have 70BB. You're way too short for threatening stacks to feel like a threat. If you call the $250, you're basically committed anyway.

    "Leveraging your stack" would be threatening a 300BB $1500 stack when you only have to raise to $500 in this spot. Then, it's awkward for the guy to call because he'll expect you to ship the turn for the rest of your stack which will be less than a pot sized bet.
  • Tom H Posts: 45Subscriber
    Thank you for the clarification.
  • dpbuckdpbuck Posts: 1,989SubscriberProfessional
    maphacks said:
    Did v1 or v2 shove?
    Yeah, I'm having trouble following the action. I'm assuming it was something like:

    Preflop: V1 limps, TAG limps, Hero raise to $25 with AcJc, V2 calls in position, V1 and TAG call.
    Flop: V1 checks, TAG checks, Hero bets $60, V2 says he was going to bet and calls, V1 now check/ships for $250, TAG folds, Hero? (V2 still active behind).

    This seems like a super-easy fold. You describe V1 as "would bet/raise hard with nuts". Yeah, he has flush draws in his range, but also A9/A3/99/33 which have you crushed and fit his profile. Add that to the fact that you're not closing the action, and this is a pretty easy fold.

    And as others have said, you're not deep enough to be "leveraging your stack". That is usually in the context of threatening exponentially larger bets on future streets. This would be more of an "isolation" play if you knew with 100% certainty that V1 has a flush draw.
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