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When will the course takes its course ?

sloan565sloan565 Posts: 55Member
edited May 2016 in Low Content Forum
I thought purchasing Ed Miller book the Course would become a stepping stone for good things to happen for me at the $1 $2 cash table but so far just the opposite. I hope its not $46 down the toilet . I followed the course using Ed's recommended hand chart but i could barely muster the 14 percent of hands he recommends in early position or for that matter late position. I was basically forced to fold most of my hands and very quickly established the table image of a super nit as per his instructions

. In my case it was even worse. I bought in for 50 BB and if i busted i was going to buy in for an additional 50 . I dont like too many chips on the table because i can lose them pretty fast. Others contradict the small stack as a target for the deep stack but i dont care. The first or second hand started out promising but deteriorated pretty fast . I opened with 10 9s flop trip 10 only to get outkicked by either A10 or J10 . Sorry but i am filled with incomplete info because i am not sure if i was IP or OOP almost sure i was OOP . I had around $55 left in my stack which really pissed me the hell off and for the next few hrs i played as tight as you can get. I bought in for an additional $40 just so could have some more chips . $55 remaining wont get me very far Cant say i actually blew golden opportunities becoming a folding machine but A5o turned a wheel and a nice pot which i couldnt capitalize on and the other one J 5o flopped J trips .

Aside from those golden opportunities i blew , for the most part i was card dead and in a very shitty mood to boot. The guy to the left of me in his early 30's bet or folded out of turn not once not twice but 3 times and it was at that pt i got pissed told him about it and instead of apologizing he made some snot ass remark "looked like you were going to fold anyway" Ive been berated by players for betting out of turn by accident maybe once in the past and this ass wasn't even given a warning . Not to mention his GF a spectator was seated behind him and she could also have clear view of my cards if by chance i neglect to protect them, Without making a big scene i requested table change. Didn't help matters much.

Still card dead but turned a straight for a small pot (the only pot of the day ) only because the girl to the right of me told me she threw away her baby flush after i raised . Few hands later nerdy looking dude two seats to my right betting with his eyes closed , makes a huge pot size bet on the turn . Girl directly to my right tanks for a few minutes then folds the turn and mumbles " he better not be bluffing". The river turns a 5 she nudges my foot signaling she would have had a boat Well two hands later she got her revenge at my expense. I was on button with 56o nobody raised which is the only reason why i played the hand and i just got bored not playing anything. I realize that specific hand is not part of the "Course" but the flop KK 5 and when 5 came out on the turn it made it more enticing. The girl to my right had me covered all in i shoved my remaining $55 thinking im home free only to see her turn over K 8 with a giggle. You dont giggle you just STFU and dont say a word.

Im certainly not in the position to tell her "nice hand" I stormed the hell out of the casino once again taking pity on how bad im running blah blah. The story always has the same ending for me . Bust out on a bad beat with nothing left in my pocket . Its much more than having a bad day because these bad days have been more frequent over the last few months than you can imagine. I dont mind losing a few sessions but there should be one or two winning sessions in between to compensate for the losses but in my case i am on the short end of the stick every single session. I know about variance and how it can kick you in the ass but for god sake gimme a break .

Outkicked with trips Outkicked on a boat If they modified the bad beat t jackpot rules i would have a fortune by now. Am i buying in for too little? Should i change casinos? Are my raises too small? Does it take awhile for the Course to takes its course ? Ok its only $160 but do you know how many of those $160 and more i have lost in the last few months. I am down a bundle and getting more depressed and more disgusted with each passing day. Might have to take a long break from the game which i hate doing but i just cannot afford to blow any more money One thing for sure no more cash at Borgata
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  • BananaStandBananaStand Posts: 1,455Troll
    Definitely buy in deeper. If you're going to play so few hands, you need to be able to make some money when you make good hands.

    Don't go broke with a one-card bottom full-house

    Re-read the 1/2 no limit section of The Course

    Did you also get Professional No Limit Hold em? If not, have you found some other resource to learn everything there is to know about SPR?


  • sloan565sloan565 Posts: 55Member
    this might sound ignorant but i would rather buy in minimum 100 BB at a $5 $10 game then sit down at $1 $2 The level of competition the atmosphere just turns me the hell off. No more books for now. I like to read books after winning sessions not consistent losing ones. Ill do the SPR research on the net I have the basics so far right? The only changes ill make for now is new casino bigger buy in If that wont turn the trick im done for the year Just cant take the losing its getting to me
  • sloan565sloan565 Posts: 55Member


    Don't go broke with a one-card bottom full-house

    I had no choice she put me all in after i called the turn

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  • tata Posts: 22SubscriberProfessional
    sloan565 said:


    I had no choice she put me all in after i called the turn

    You had a choice. You can fold. The book you are reading told you to "don't pay people off", "fold when opponent shows strength".

    I suggest you re-read the $1-2 section again, make sure you understand those 3 main concepts.

    1. Tight preflop
    2. Don't pay people off
    3. Bet for value
  • sloan565sloan565 Posts: 55Member
    Please cut the crap i doubt you would fold a boat even with 27o . I dont fold boats and i dont fold baby flushes other than that #2 makes sense
  • sloan565sloan565 Posts: 55Member
    I read the chapter twice matter fact i dont need to read it more than once. You are dead wrong my friend . $55 remaining card dead for 2hrs flop the nuts on turn with a bad kicker ? I think 95% will shove the remaining chips. Why do you think this author theories are etched in stone? They are not. I am getting a refund as we speak
  • BananaStandBananaStand Posts: 1,455Troll
    I don't think 95% of people go broke with bottom full house. Many do, but many people are also life long losers at this game.

    You've got the absolute wrong mindset for poker. Doesn't matter what books you read, or what stakes you play, you're just gonna beat yourself every single time.

    Try one more book please. It's called "Think and Grow Rich"

    Even though it was written many decades before hold em was invented......it's the most useful book I've ever read

    Read it once a year for the rest of your life and I promise you will be a better poker player. I got a copy for free on Google play books, but most bookstores have it for ten bucks
  • sloan565sloan565 Posts: 55Member
    You seem to be misquote me BS I said i believe that 95% will shove a boat regardless of the kicker. I know i will . It takes real real balls to lay it down. If i was in a $5 $10 game and my very first hand was similar to the hand i mentioned and i bought in for 100BB i would not think twice about shoving. The odds of being outkicked is like turning over quads. It rarely happens. Think rich books do nothing for me . I need cash now Not getting any younger but getting older . Putting away $$ for the future is a thing of the past for me . I have to live for the moment and the course didnt cut the mustard . TY for convincing me to toss away $46 of my hard earned money on rubbish
  • BananaStandBananaStand Posts: 1,455Troll
    edited May 2016
    sloan565 said:
    TY for convincing me to toss away $46 of my hard earned money on rubbish
    You tossed away more than that with a hand that you should have known was drawing dead. If you had followed the advice in the book, you could have saved that bet, paid for the book, and had $9 left over to buy yourself a sandwich. Don't blame the book.

    I'm not sure what you mean when you say "shove a boat regardless of kicker". Full houses don't have kickers. YOur hand was 555KK. When you bet there, what worse hands do you expect to be called by? And you're wrong about 95%. Even if you were right, who's to say that those 95% of people don't lose money at poker.

    I think you just need to take a break from poker. Just work on educating yourself full time, without playing, for a while. Then go back with a fresh attitude. You are clearly, most definitely, on rage-tilt right now, and I promise that no book, or change or atmosphere is going to help you.

    If you can't stomach a 100BB downswing, it's time to quit poker man.

  • sloan565sloan565 Posts: 55Member
    What the hell are you talking about my hand was 56? She had K 8 her kicker beat me Board was KK 55 forgot the other card . What do you mean no such thing as kicker in full house? I was pot committed and i wouldnt think twice about it in past present or future
  • BananaStandBananaStand Posts: 1,455Troll
    edited May 2016
    I'm not sure you are using the word "kicker" correctly. In the other example you posted, you had T9 and the board was TTx, and you lost to AT. That's an example of how you lost with a worse kicker. His hand was TTTAx, and your hand was TTT9x. His ace-kicker "played". It was needed in the five card hand.

    In the full house example, she has KKK55, and you have 555KK. Those are different hands, and they are already five card hands, so other cards, or kickers, don't matter.

    And you're just learning the difference, the hard way, between absolute hand strength and relative hand strength. If you have 555KK and the board is double-paired, what are you targeting for value when you bet? Can you name a worse hand that is willing to put in just as much money as you are?

    You made a bet that would not convince a better hand to fold, and that would not get called by a worse hand.

    You can't blame the book for that.

    I told you in another thread that even though the book was expensive, it would pay for itself. Here, if you had listened to the advice in the book, you would have saved $55 that you would have otherwise spewed off. The book should already be a profitable investment for you.
  • sloan565sloan565 Posts: 55Member
    Ok sorry i worded it wrong She had K8 i had 56o She had a better hand than i did . Does that make sense? No the last hand is not the book fault i want to clarify that . It basically culminated another similar chapter of my losing cash sessions. To be quite honest i just started playing cash and most of my big losses in poker can be attributed to tournament buy in's they add up . After going on somewhat of a mini upswing last summer into the fall, i have been in the minus column since. The cash losses on top of that is reason why im upset . The comment about the price of the book basically reflects my anger at this point . $55 is no biggie . What i would like to hear to boost my self confidence is others who have read the book and seen their winrate go up instead of down. If i play a few more sessions and the results are positive then yes i can feel confident about myself and my play. I am willing to wait it out a few sessions if that will help . Question is how long?
  • BananaStandBananaStand Posts: 1,455Troll
    Your entire mindset and attitude are completely wrong. It really doesn't matter what you do at this point, you will not play winning poker as long as you are thinking the way you are.

    I will repeat my recommendation for the book "Think and Grow Rich". You need it. Badly.

    In my opinion, the book has already paid for itself and then some. You should have folded your full house and saved $55. That advice was included in the $46 book that you read twice. So right there, is proof, that reading the book and applying the ideas in it, would have increased your win-rate. You don't need anyone else to validate the quality of the book.

    Also, no book in the world is going to help you beat a raked 1/2 game when you're only buying in for $100 at a time.
  • GhostDogGhostDog Posts: 328Subscriber
    This thread has to be a joke right?
  • AJoff Posts: 546Subscriber
    Does anyone else feel like Sloan is stayinschool trolling banana?
  • GhostDogGhostDog Posts: 328Subscriber
    AJoff said:
    Does anyone else feel like Sloan is stayinschool trolling banana?
    This would be classic!!!!!
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