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Crush Live O8 No. 29: Live Action O8 $8-$16 w Hole Cards

BartBart Posts: 5,972AdministratorLeadPro
This week Bart takes a look at hands played from a real live $8-$16 O8 game with hole cards from the Stones Casino.

http://www.crushlivepoker.com/videos/live-action-o8-8-16-with-hole-cards
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  • ddz Posts: 152SubscriberProfessional
    edited July 2016
    Great video! Really fantastic to see live low-stakes 08 action and analysis was really helpful. Hopefully there are a ton more hands from that session coming in future videos, and i hope you can convince Stones to run more 08 in the future on their stream, so we can get even more material!
  • BKismBKism Posts: 203SubscriberProfessional
    Bart, great video. Now, I do not play much O8 any more, since NL is so much more profitable. I do think my O8 game could use this refresher. My game is probably a little to tight to maximize my profits.

    Now, I may have the players flipped here, but Nick's check with the A2 8 was horrible. Especially since so many players at the low limit peel so weak. It was a massive mistake, because it needlessly cost him the pot, not just a fraction of a bet.

    I would definitely have missed the value spot on the end there with the J Q A. You made great points that we have blockers to QQ and AA and a K would have bet the turn.

    I will give the next one a watch soon.


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  • Chaos Posts: 4Subscriber
    Although the video is labelled O8 $8-$16, they appear to be playing $16-$32.

    Hence a bunch of the pot odds analysis is way off.
  • BartBart Posts: 5,972AdministratorLeadPro
    Chaos said:
    Although the video is labelled O8 $8-$16, they appear to be playing $16-$32.

    Hence a bunch of the pot odds analysis is way off.
    The game is $8-$16 with a half kill to $16-$32. The size of the limits in any particular hand will not effect the pot odds of that hand since they are playing fixed limit.
  • Chaos Posts: 4Subscriber
    A half kill would be 12-24. A full kill would be 16-32.

    Watching part 2 I see that they are playing 8-16 with a half kill despite the graphics.

    The problem is the graphics are messed up. It often incorrectly says the size of the bet. Sometimes it has the button in the wrong seat. The graphics is not in sync with the video.
  • workinghard Posts: 1,573Subscriber
    The third hand, you seem to advocate playing the high hands, which are the set of 7s and the Khi flush on the river a lot weaker than you seem to play them in the Bovado video episodes. Seems like on the turn, the 7s hand should not have much reason to fear that someone made a straight. I don't see much argument for NOT CRing the turn since he is loosing to only a set of Js or 9T. Are you saying he shouldn't raise because there is a good chance he is beat already or because there is too good a chance he will be beat on the river?

    On the river, I would have thought you'd advocate betting out the K hi flush but I can see where Danny boxer's hand, who had the set, could be playing it like he has the A Hi flush. perhaps a bet/fold would be in order? Do you think it likely someone would raise with just the nut low when bet into? Just seems like we're missing some betting opportunities.
  • nopair Posts: 350Subscriber
    edited July 2017
    Hand 1 - cool, the two raising hands limp or fold, and the limping hand raises! What a country.
    Hand 2 - cool, the raising hand limps, the calling hand raises (but should raise the limp). What a country.

    Hand 3 - I'd lead the 777 on the turn into the preflop raiser since the guys in this game seem to have zero idea about sharing and cooperative betting. You lead into the preflop raiser, and he raises (in this case, as he actually should raise because he has nut low and top pair), you protect your hand as best as possible -- and it is obviously extremely unlikely that he has A29T. The 777 should use the preflop raiser to drive the non-nut flush draw out... and if he calls, that isn't terrible either as he is a dog to our hand. The A776 also is drawing to scoop with a 2, while the AJ92 has a scoop draw with the Ten.

    Hollywood played a garbage hand preflop, flopped nothing and continued, turned nothing and continued, then rivered less than nothing and called. With dead money like that typically in pots in this game, the stronger non-nut hands (like #2 flush and a middle set) should lean toward continuing pots when it is only one bet.

    "perhaps a bet/fold would be in order?"

    Never, ever, ever in limit high-low. Perfect example here, our nut low player has the dry ace and a pair. He should raise any bet... so betting into him and folding is a pure waste. You dragged yourself to catch this card, now check and call all bets. Win some, lose some.
  • Origami Posts: 1Subscriber
    The last hand @Bart you were saying some like if a QClub comes on the turn bring clubs with 2 low and 2 high cards, the K5CC should lead into the low draw. ??What do you think about the play that the nut low draw with the naked AClub raises?? ??Could you ever see a second nut flush with no low or bad low draw fold??
  • BartBart Posts: 5,972AdministratorLeadPro
    Origami said:
    The last hand @Bart you were saying some like if a QClub comes on the turn bring clubs with 2 low and 2 high cards, the K5CC should lead into the low draw. ??What do you think about the play that the nut low draw with the naked AClub raises?? ??Could you ever see a second nut flush with no low or bad low draw fold??
    When you are referring to hands in videos that are several years old it’s best to include the hand history in your post so that I can look at it and respond properly. Thanks!! Bart
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