Welcome.

Take a tour. Enjoy some free sample content.

How it works

Free Video: CLP Video No. 287: Home Game Bart Reviews His Splashy At $1-$3 Deep Part 2

Free Podcast: CLP Podcast No. 54: Time Warp And Turn Value
New to Crush Live Poker?

$1 $2 a bit more clearer

nofriends333 Posts: 878Troll
edited June 2016 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
After playing $1 $2 for a few weeks with 100BB stacks with an upswing or two then falling back into the downswing category, i am able to grasp some of the past comments in this category as opposed to before i started playing on a regular basis. It was more like chinese to me where as now the comments which apply to $1 $2 players are almost dead on. I have noticed that majority will hold on to top pair for dear life and bet it down to the river . For instance a player raises from middle position to $10 flop is basically low cards 8 6 4 the player who raised bets. I was putting them on KK JJ QQ or weak Ace Normally if i was correct on putting them on those hands they should check because they did not connect but instead i now realize they refuse to believe that their premium hand might not be the best hand after the turn and river because someone else might have improved. Am i right to assume their mentality when it comes to top pair ?
Tagged:

Comments

  • napncrash Posts: 177Subscriber
    There is not "standard" 1/2 player, of course, but the tendencies of players who are sitting at the lowest stakes tend to funnel in similar directions.

    Their top pair tendency is often this: top pair is one of the goals of being in a hand. When you have it, you have a "good hand" and that's worth betting and/or calling.

    1/2 games are often very limpy by nature. This means they want to see flops and they want to hit hands. When they hit top pair, they hit "a hand." They are not eager to let go - nor should they be, usually.

    If a 1/2 player raises preflop and then bets more than just the flop, they are VERY likely to have a hand they like. "Double barrelling" isn't something at which most 1/2 players are adept. If you find a 1/2 player betting at you multiple times, you better put those big hands into their range - they're not often bluffing multiple streets. They can and will and often should fire the flop cbet bluff, but when called, most 1/2 players figure they're beat if they didn't connect with the board. So they'll quit; they'll shut down and rue their luck that their AQ missed or whatever. Even most good, skilled players here in these forums played that way at the beginning of their career/journey/whatever you want to call it.

    So find the fold button often when 1/2 players are betting often.
  • nofriends333 Posts: 878Troll
    So what your saying is if they dont connect on flop they still place the C bet you call. If the turn is not a card that helps them, they end up checking or folding depending on who opens the action?
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,298Subscriber
    1/2 players for the most part don't think about your hand. They do think "crap the flush came".

    Some 1/2 players will float with the hopes of picking up something like "I have an ace and a backdoor FD"

    Others will call with middle pair the flop, turn, and fold river.

    But one thing you really have to keep in mind is that your game in your area will be different than other people's games. I know this from personal experience playing in different places. I just moved from West to East coast Florida.

    In the west coast people at 1/2 were fairly limpy, passive, see the flop type of players. Most bought in for $100 or less. Some agro-donks. Most slowplayed to the turn. Many bought in real short. I could actually bluff them when their stacks got larger. My swings here weren't that large. This was in the San Francisco Bay Area.

    South East Florida the game is completely different. People tend to buy in for $100 or more. Stacks get deep quick for specific reasons. They have more tells here. So far roughly there are 1-2 agro-doks and/or maniacs at the table a good 80% of the time. Players are INCREDIBLY tricky trappy to the river. People limp with JJ, limp behind limpers with KK, AA. It is much more difficult to move someone off a hand here. But at the same time people are willing to stack off $350 with TPTK. My swings here are large.

    Two completely different games, two different areas. I think the reason is that in the Bay Area prices and rents have gone up so much (+50% rent in the last 4 years) that people are tight on money. In Florida you have 21 year old kids playing with $1000 in their pockets.

    So with any advice someone gives you pay attention to your own game dynamics. I have had to make major adjustments between the games. I usually play 2/5 but the 2/5 is so different here, and I am in the middle of a move, that I decided until I settle in and can devote serious time to studying the 2/5 I am only playing 1/2.

    Best thing you can do is literally sit down with a pad and paper, or smart phone, and start observing people. Take notes on actins and keep track. You see someone slowplay to the turn have a section marked SPT for "slowplay turn" and put a +1 next to it. Keep track of your hours. Add a new category if you see someone do X play. Eventually you will see patterns in your game at your local area and can apply the information you have. Keep track of things like where people generally fold, how large of bets they generally fold to on the turn and river, how often they CB flops, continue on turns. By using GTO models for exact in-exploitable betting you can get a feel for how off these people are. It is good homework in general.

    Now another key note. When you read books and watch videos keep in mind these pros are talking in terms of their own area of play. I absolutely love Ed Miller's and Bart's material. But if you notice their styles and plays are different. They are in different cities. I noticed myself when swapping coasts some plays one recommends is better applied here than there and vice versa. The differences are not huge mind you but all it takes is one hand every couple hours misplayed to blow your winrate out of the water.

    Like 3b bluff from the blinds in a raised pot. On the west coast I could do it successfully. So far from what I have seen I can't do it here @ 1/2. I have literally had games where I have been card dead to strangers then raised it $30 and 5 players didn't hesitate to call the raise. While on the west coast all insta-folds except maybe 1 player.

    So do the homework and the math. Believe me it will improve your game a lot. It will take a lot of time to get all the data but it is worth it for your local game.
  • nofriends333 Posts: 878Troll
    i still say the best education is staying active in the live game playing twice a week anbd putting in the hrs on those days which is all the time i have anyway. I am constantly picking up on tells and other stuff at the table which hopefully will help my game get better. The first few times i ever played $1 $2 i had no idea WTF i was doing. Make a hand and see a flop that was about it. More i play the more i learn. Funny that you say east coast floridians are tough to play with as opposed to west coast limpers. I heard that seminole hard rock players in Hollywood are the softest $1 $2 tables around. I play at the Borgata in AC. I have not been able to have the luxury of playing against the same players because i dont play often but if i did i think it would make things a hell of alot easier because in less than an hour i can pick up patterns on several players at the table. Borgata $1 $2 is filled with limpers same applies to Harrahs, Ballys etc. On occasion the $1 $2 tables at Borgata will wake up with some action after watching paint dry for 60 min and $300 pot might be there for the asking. With that kind of slow play action you might be better off at the $10 BJ tables . I would never ever play at Ballys because i have never made a dime there and never will. Dark gloomy bad lighting poker tournaments in that casino make the atmosphere even worse .
Sign In or Register to comment.