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MiGHTYMiKEMiGHTYMiKE Posts: 8Subscriber
edited July 2016 in NLHE Strategy Discussion
*edited. Thanks for those tips.

I'm new to the forums and never ever posted about hand history anywhere so please hang in there with me lol but I just had a hand come up at Parx yesterday and thought I'd share.

The game is $2/5nl 200bb game at Parx Casino.

I'm in MP with pocket 8's and have 900 effective. I just took a beat a hand earlier and lost 300.00 (AQ with top two pair and a guy rivered his gutter to a straight)

A loose aggressive player, mid 30's with around 1300.00 raised to $20.00 from UTG

Another guy who was UTG+1 also mid 30's who seemed pretty snug and lost 1k earlier just rebought for another 1k called the $20.00

I looked down at two black eights. I figured what the hell and called. (bad move?)

Everyone else folded and we went to the flop

Q 9 5

The UTG guy checks, The UTG+1 guy checks and I decided to check.

The turn was the 8

This obviously brought J10 for the straight and backdoor heart possibilities.

The aggressive UTG checked (being passive this hand)

The UTG+1 guy checked

I bet $45.00 (Was this too small?)

The UTG guy folded

The UTG+1 guy check raised to $120.00

I tanked for awhile. I was considering he had j10, maybe KQ? Or some heart draw and running a bluff? Maybe 9s??

I decided to flat the $120.00

The river brought an off suit 9

The UTG+1 guy comes out and bets $55.00

I found this to be odd. Why such a small bet? Was this one of those bets that Bart talks about where they're scared? A blocker bet?

I decided to raise and made it $175.00

He thought for about 1min and made it a flat $400.00

I tanked for a few minutes and asked if he had Q9 and rivered a boat? He was dead still.

I ended up calling for the $225.00 more and he had Q9.

I guess my question(s) are;

Should I have just called the $55.00 river bet with my full house? Should I have folded for the $225.00 more? Should I have even been in the damn hand with two 8s? lol

If he bet anymore money, like made it $700.00. I def would have folded.

Thanks guys! I hope this was legible.

Mike K
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  • dpbuckdpbuck Posts: 2,009Subscriber
    Welcome to the forums. A couple of tips:
    - Don't post results. In this hand, you should have stopped the action after villain's river raise to $400.
    - Instead of referring to villains as (slightly insensitive) "Jewish Guy" and "Asian Guy", perhaps use their positions of UTG and MP.
    - For legibility purposes, it is usually better to post all of the hand action, and then your thoughts on each street at the end.


    As for the hand, Preflop and flop are standard.

    On the turn, against certain sticky villains you could get another bet it on the turn, but against a lot of people you would just fold out worse and only better would continue. I think your sizing is fine, and the call of the raise is fine.

    River is definitely a raise, though your sizing is a little small. The pot is roughly $350, $55 more to call. If we're really targeting JT (which is what he's representing, we can go much larger. Perhaps to $275-$300. Players are incapable of bet/folding, especially with an absolutely strong hand like a straight. Go for more value.

    Once reraised, all you can beat is 55. Can't imagine villain is bet/3betting that river with anything worse than that. But getting 4:1, if villain is raising Q9,89,99,55, you've got the 20% you need to call.
  • Rocketman74Rocketman74 Posts: 451Subscriber
    edited July 2016
    MiGHTYMiKE said:
    I'm new to the forums and never ever posted about hand history anywhere so please hang in there with me lol but I just had a hand come up at Parx yesterday and thought I'd share.
    Welcome
    MiGHTYMiKE said:

    I looked down at two black eights. I figured what the hell and called. (bad move?)
    Good so far
    MiGHTYMiKE said:

    The turn was the 8

    This obviously brought J10 for the straight and backdoor heart possibilities.

    The aggressive Jewish guy checked (being passive this hand)

    The Asian guy checked

    I bet $45.00 (Was this too small?)

    The Jewish guy folded

    The Asian guy check raised to $120.00

    I tanked for awhile. I was considering he had j10, maybe KQ? Or some heart draw and running a bluff? Maybe 9s??

    I decided to flat the $120.00
    You're bet sizing was fine. Seems like you're very aware of what's happening. You're getting 3-to-1 to make the call and have 10 outs to improve (against a straight) so you're almost getting the correct expressed odds to continue. Seems good to me.
    MiGHTYMiKE said:

    The river brought an off suit 9

    The Asian guy comes out and bets $55.00

    I found this to be odd. Why such a small bet? Was this one of those bets that Bart talks about where they're scared? A blocker bet?

    I decided to raise and made it $175.00

    He thought for about 1min and made it a flat $400.00

    I tanked for a few minutes and asked if he had Q9 and rivered a boat? He was dead still.

    I ended up calling for the $225.00 more and he had Q9.

    I guess my question(s) are;

    Should I have just called the $55.00 river bet with my full house? Should I have folded for the $225.00 more? Should I have even been in the damn hand with two 8s? lol

    If he bet anymore money, like made it $700.00. I def would have folded.
    Everything you said makes sense and you should raise for value for sure. When he 3bets you're getting a ~4-to-1 to make the call which means you need to be good ~20% of the time. It's very close but I think it's a fold (by the slimmest of margins.) Most often someone isn't making a blocking bet and then 3betting with a worse hand.

    Hope that helps.

    **Tip** Don't post results in your hand histories. You'll get better responses.
  • Letmewin1 Posts: 1,238Member
    Hand looks fine, I think calling river 3 by him is not a huge mistake, he could play/over value KQ/AQ as well.
  • FuzzypupFuzzypup Posts: 2,433Subscriber
    I just don't think he bets tiny a boat on that river. I think he hit a straight. Then small raises back?
  • BananaStandBananaStand Posts: 1,455Troll
    I just don't see people re-raising rivers on paired boards without a full house at this level. Like...ever
  • JKH Posts: 835Subscriber
    I think you played the hand fine, I am never folding preflop. As for the river I think u did fine with your sizing and with the Villian 3 betting but not to a size that is all in- is incredibly strong and a complete overplay of 55. I think if you have any history to know this guy is not gonna overplaying 55 or J ten then u can safely puke fold. I have never met a player at a 5 dollar blind game that has a min River 3 bet bluffing frequency so a bluff can be discarded.
  • MiGHTYMiKEMiGHTYMiKE Posts: 8Subscriber
    Thanks everyone. The feedback is awesome.

    I never played with him before but I didn't forget that hand and throughout the night I saw him do that same move to other people and got max value with the nuts almost each time.

    It's def a great mental note just in case I play with him again.
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