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The Limon Show No.10: Golf Gambling

BartBart Posts: 5,994AdministratorLeadPro
edited March 2014 in The Limon Show podcast
This week Limon discusses the intricacies of gambling on golf. You do not have to be the best skilled player to have a gambling edge. He talks about the best strategies for both high and low handicappers. Episode posts at 2PM ET.

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  • RONALDBEARDSLEE Posts: 43Subscriber
    I don't golf but it was interesting to hear about how to gamble at a different venue
  • Jordan Posts: 78Subscriber
    Since golf drinks was mentioned, here is a joke I came up with a couple years ago while bartending at a golf club.

    An ice tea and lemonade is called an Arnold Palmer,
    If you add vodka to it, then it's called a John Daly,
    If you add a cocktail waitress to it, it becomes a Tiger Woods,
    And if you choke on it, it's a Phil Mickelson.
  • 5DollarShake Posts: 64Subscriber
    Great show Abe!

    Gotta disagree slightly re- long putters tho.

    In Scott's case, yes he did choke it up on Sunday but a few years ago before he started using it he wouldn't have been in that position anyway. His putting has improved out of sight since taking the long putter.

    You can def argue that it is more of a mental game thing, rather than body mechanics. As having that anchor point probably makes him feel like he is more in control of the stroke and he relaxes a bit more. You still obviously have to make the correct read etc.

    I do agree tho on the weekend hackers using them being crap golfers.

    I've heard pros say if you start using one you won't instantly take 10 shots off your game, but if you are already a very good putter it can give you a slight edge if you learn how to use it properly. Weekend hackers are bad to begin with so changing the club won't help until they address their technical flaws first.

    Brilliant show tho. Loved it.
  • floppedawheel Posts: 1,063Subscriber
    i don't golf and don't know much about golf and don't gamble on golf and probably wouldn't gamble on golf if i golfed or knew much about golf, but i still enjoyed this. how do you do that?
  • WackabrewWackabrew Posts: 400Subscriber
    Loved this podcast. One thing I would add (if you are trying not to get hustled, of course), is that if the caddie starts laughing when you accept the wager (or if the caddie is the one making the wager with you), you are probably getting hustled.

    Before my days as an accountant, I had a job caddying at a pretty pretigious course (host of the most recent US Open). I used to make a good amount of money on the side betting my bag fees against guys who had never played the course before. I knew the course better than than most of the members, and certainly more than random guys who would come and play. If I saw a guy who had never played the course before tee up from the tips on the first hole, I knew I had a sucker. I'd give them their full amount of strokes and bet my bag fee that they couldn't break par. I'd even let them press the back nine (the last 5 holes are the longest and hardest on the course and most of the time guys are totally worn out by the time they get there).

    There were days as a 14 year old that I would walk off the course with 4 or 5 hundred bucks in cash (bag fee plus winnings). Listening to that yesterday totally brought me back.
  • str8frush Posts: 16Subscriber
    edited March 2014
    My Dad always said the match is won or lost on the first tee. As for club pros 99.9 % can't compete with a PGA Tour pro. All most all have tried, that's why they are club pros. And I don't think a club champ can shoot the same scores he normally does when the PGA Tour sets up the course, cause that's when it is the hardest it will play all year(long rough, hard and fast greens and pin locations two paces from the edge of greens).
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    edited March 2014
    str8frush said:
    My Dad always said the match is won or lost on the first tee. As for club pros 99.9 % can't compete with a PGA Tour pro. All most all have tried, that's why they are club pros. And I don't think a club champ can shoot the same scores he normally does when the PGA Tour sets up the course, cause that's when it is the hardest it will play all year(long rough, hard and fast greens and pin locations two paces from the edge of greens).
    by club pro i was saying club champion (sometimes one in the same). private clubs that host a pga are set up exactly as the tournament is for many weeks before and after. the members love it. most pga events actually DONT grow out the rough, quite the opposite. the greens are the fastest theyll be all year.

  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    floppedawheel said:
    i don't golf and don't know much about golf and don't gamble on golf and probably wouldn't gamble on golf if i golfed or knew much about golf, but i still enjoyed this. how do you do that?
    i want you guys to enjoy the podcast. hopefully the fact that im trying to do a good job and i care about the subjects comes through. next week: growing the perfect tomato!
  • floppedawheel Posts: 1,063Subscriber
    AbeLimon said:
    next week: growing the perfect tomato!
    all the tomatoes i eat suck, so i'm pretty stoked about this.
  • khalwatkhalwat Posts: 997Subscriber
    I wanna hear about natural raspberry and vanilla flavoring used in food products.
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    khalwat said:
    I wanna hear about natural raspberry and vanilla flavoring used in food products.
    leave it to beaver.
  • DavidGarcia Posts: 10Subscriber
    Tits episode....definitely got some gold out of it now that I just started gambling at golf. Every use Vaseline on the club face (insert joke)??...takes all the spin off on the driver and always goes straight. Not exactly ethical or PGA legal but it's still an edge if you need to bang out a win. A golf episode once every two or three months is a nice compliment to the show. Hit em straight!
  • DavidGarcia Posts: 10Subscriber
    If anyone is interested in golf lore theirs a good story about Titanic Thompson trying to hustle lee trevino out in El Paso before he was on tour. Titanic brought Raymond floyd ( a future master winner) to try and beat trevino who was the grounds keeper at the time. Obviously, lee knew the course like the back of his hand so their was no way floyd was going to beat him. It's all about knowing the course - and your pony knowing the course
  • Tbold Posts: 30Subscriber
    What I loved about this podcast was how Limon analyzed the subject. I only tried Golf a few times, and not being a natural athlete, I stink. I'd be lucky to break 130. The analysis that I should take Match Play vs. Stroke Play is brilliant. To me it shows why he is a successful gambler; he is able to correctly pick out what is important. Years ago I was in Vegas and I struck up a conversation with a kid playing in a poker game. We were watching a golf match on TV and he told me that he was making a living betting on Golf match-ups. What the casino would do would put up two golfers, for example Tiger Woods -150. / Phil Mickelson + 130. You would then pick who you thought would get the lower score. I asked him " How do you do that? ". I never forgot his response, " I know what to look for. " (I know thats not everything , but I'm trying to make a point here) . That's the secret to winning most games, knowing what's really important, and what can be discounted. Now of course this guy could be BS'ing me, but he had no reason to do so. I think that he had played enough golf / watched enough golf to be able to handicap the lines better than the guy in the casino who was making these lines. What I liked about the podcast(s) on this site is that these guys are willing to share the non-obvious ideas that really matter.
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    DavidGarcia said:
    Tits episode....definitely got some gold out of it now that I just started gambling at golf. Every use Vaseline on the club face (insert joke)??...takes all the spin off on the driver and always goes straight. Not exactly ethical or PGA legal but it's still an edge if you need to bang out a win. A golf episode once every two or three months is a nice compliment to the show. Hit em straight!
    grease is ok by gamblers rules. as is unlimited clubs but all shots are played down.

  • paul Posts: 3Subscriber
    AbeLimon said:
    floppedawheel said:
    i don't golf and don't know much about golf and don't gamble on golf and probably wouldn't gamble on golf if i golfed or knew much about golf, but i still enjoyed this. how do you do that?
    i want you guys to enjoy the podcast. hopefully the fact that im trying to do a good job and i care about the subjects comes through. next week: growing the perfect tomato!
    First post here on the forums and I just want to say I really enjoy The Limon Show and look forward to this every monday. Looking forward to the perfect tomato show. Ha
  • TerpHimselfTerpHimself Posts: 307Subscriber
    As a high-handicap golfer, and someone who plays a lot with guys who are better, this was an enjoyable way to listen about getting an edge in the game, so thanks Abe!

    I can attest that I've been asked numerous times to join into golf bets just b/c I had an opinion on a course that was being discussed at the poker table. These guys didn't know or care how good I was.

    Also, wanting to throw my hat into the ring for my preferred "golf drink":

    2 parts Firefly Sweet Tea Bourbon

    1 part homemade lemonade (so it's less sugary)


    Simpel, southern, and awesome with a cigar.
  • TightMan Posts: 26Subscriber
    Limon does a great job on this podcast by introducing unique content delivered in an interesting way.

    I'm pretty sure a good tournament pro would be huge favorite against a club champion on his home course over a series of matches. The tournament pro shoots lower on average when the course is not set up for tournament conditions too.

    Also in a previous podcast about banking Asian games you casually threw out a $100 per hour win rate but you strongly argued against this win rate for most winners in a 2+2 thread.
  • AbeLimonAbeLimon Posts: 860Member
    TightMan said:
    Limon does a great job on this podcast by introducing unique content delivered in an interesting way.

    I'm pretty sure a good tournament pro would be huge favorite against a club champion on his home course over a series of matches. The tournament pro shoots lower on average when the course is not set up for tournament conditions too.

    Also in a previous podcast about banking Asian games you casually threw out a $100 per hour win rate but you strongly argued against this win rate for most winners in a 2+2 thread.
    ya, over time, a short amount of time for most, the pga pro would learn the ins and outs of the course. but there are horses for courses and one of the best horses, going in cold on any course, is the club champion.

    on the podcast i made it clear that the high winrate was for banking the games ONLY during peak hours. this also keeps you from getting barred.
  • AesahAesah Posts: 1,048Pro
    why would you get barred?
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