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  • Wow, thanks for the great analysis. Certainly gave me much to think about. Never thought of ATo like that. I will add a couple points in my defense: First, V had 99..not AK, AK, AA, AJ, or an overpair. So pre-flop I was not dominated and had a dec…
  • Thanks and sorry for the typos. Now been corrected. I had AdTc and of course it was V who led out with the big C-bet. Would love to hear more of an explanation of why one would fold AT off to a pre-flop raise. I had 50 BB, yes a shorter than averag…
  • Thanks all for the great feedback thus far. One seemingly simple and obvious point I will add is that by c-betting the flop, I at least established to my opponents that I could have a monster..such as AK or AQ. Remember I was the pre-flop raiser a…
  • Kind of surprised at the critique of the flop bet..So we have position, we were the aggressor pre-flop, we flop top pair, and we check behind..why so passive? Further, if the turn bricks out, don't we lose all kinds of value from a hand like J7, whi…
  • Don't you want to price the turn bet just right so that your opponents will call? I think $80 was the max value I could get for someone being on a flush draw after the turn. They were getting about a 4-1 chance to hit the flush, which is about what …
  • Well said and thanks. But I take issue to the phrase "blow the money on..paying off lucky fish." I never think of myself as blowing my short stack and want to avoid doing so at all costs..that is precisely why I posted this hand. To get some input o…
  • Sorry about that. V1 limped pre-flop from UTG, V2 raised pre-flop from late position, I called in BB, and V1 called. So V1''s range was quite wide, but we can definitely rule out any big overpairs. He was pretty aggressive pre-flop. Think we can pro…
  • Thanks all for the comments thus far. Please do remember that I was in the BB, so it was just another $10 to call. Do we really fold 9T suited in a multi-way pot with those kinds of pot odds? I don't think folding there pre-flop is that clear-cut.…
  • Thanks all..so we're agreed that if he had the flush he would have raised the turn? I did not think V had it in him to raise/value bet any Ax type of hand. So I figured he somehow had disguised the flush or had some crazy hand like A2. I called, k…
  • Perhaps one way to think about this hand is to imagine what you would have done had you really flopped a set. Everything of course is villain, table, and board dependent; but the great majority of time, people just smooth call or just raise normally…
  • Agreed my turn lead was too small. At the time, I wanted to bet small enough so that I could get away from the hand without blowing up my stack..was just playing way too passively. Anyway, I tank-folded, as did UTG. Immediately after doing so, I to…
  • I don't think you can fold with a NFD. Too much value to be had if he has a hand like AxQs and you hit flush on later street. I would check-fold the turn. If he pushes the turn, you know he has an A, and you aren't getting the right pot odds to call…
  • Sorry should have included info on UTG: A big stacker (about a thousand to start hand) who was fairly loose, but a good solid thinking player with wide pre-flop raising tendencies. I was actually not really concerned about him, as if he had A5+, he …
  • I think this is the perfect spot where we take advantage of our positioning. Raise more on the flop, but then just check behind the turn. Yes you flopped the nuts, but he could very well have AKhh or AJhh. He also could have several hands that you'r…
  • Thanks both. Very good points. I did not want to check-raise (and represent a nutty hand), thus putting myself basically all-in (where I would have been basically flipping against a made hand). The table, was pretty loose and wild, and in particul…
  • Yes, definitely agreed the turn lead was weak. So is it simply then a general rule of thumb to check when going for a draw and OOP on the turn? I do think that leading on the flop when drawing and OOP is generally the correct move as we want to disg…
  • I really believe if he had AA he would have 4-bet it pre-flop. Recall V2 was behind him and had not acted after V1 flatted my pre-flop 3-bet. Why would V1 have allowed 3-way action with AA? Very unlikely. But you are definitely correct that it real…
  • Agreed. Just didn't want to kill the action by not 3-betting with a passive table. But you are correct. Why would you be more inclined considering I had a Kd? That would make it less likely he would hit his flush.
  • I think you have to strongly consider the possibility that V has AT. Why would a tight player min-raise there? Min-raises are usually begging for a call..so on that board either you're chopping or you're beaten. Personally I would call turn and chec…
  • Thanks. Feeling violated, and perhaps outplayed, I folded, vowing to fight another day... Less than five minutes later, I get KK again, and smooth call a preflop raise with 3-way action. Long story short is I ended up heads up against the exact sam…
  • Thank you very much for the thoughtful posts. I just simply dismissed the truth and logic about 2/5 players not being capable of this bluff, and went with the emotionalism that this V seemingly had against me. That and the non-diamond that hit the r…
  • Thanks very much for the input. He had J8 diamonds. Anybody think I should have re-raised pre-flop? It probably would not have changed the outcome, as he flopped a flush draw and would not have folded. But just curious. Given his very wide range, …
  • Thanks for the comments. I suppose getting asked to dealt out when you're "mentally checked out" is always the right course of action. But cards are cards, and have no idea if this is your last hand. So in this instance, yes I was ready to leave, bu…
  • Ordinarily yes, I completely agree. But not with this player under these circumstances. Deep down inside I knew I was beaten but still called. That is what is really bothering me. Another thought: I think V2's post-flop bet of $85 was not much of …
  • I definitely appreciate the comments thus far. Again my thoughts as I was in the tank: 1. The table was very tight post-flop. Almost no big all-in type of confrontations within the last hour or so. There was also friendly banter between myself, V2,…